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  • make the 3rd game up to 11 points similar to Indian Badminton League

    6 7.89%
  • 2 singles and one doubles matchup

    1 1.32%
  • 2 doubles and one singles matchup

    0 0%
  • 3 doubles and two singles matchup

    11 14.47%
  • 2 doubles and two singles: winner to be decided by games and points totals

    9 11.84%
  • keep 3 singles and 2 doubles matchup

    64 84.21%
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    sounds as ridiculous as asking chinese table tennis association to train other countries for 6 years. if u dont think u can win, just withdraw and let others have a shot. changing the rules wont make the sport any more competitive. in fact it makes it more boring since it is decided quicker than before. the amateur era of sports is long over. pro sports dont need to change rules to benefit weaker competition. weaker competition needs to better themselves to succeed in a higher level.

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    If BWF changes the format, eventually there would be nobody watching Thomas/Uber Cup and the club leagues will be even more popular, especially with the increasing prizes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by huangkwokhau View Post
    Actually the new format with 2 singles and 1 double favors CHINA big time...so don't cry out loud...China can easily field CL,LD and 1 MD to win Thomas Cup..I am sure LYB will be very happy...
    Agree, CHN has two formidable MS to win Thomas Cup in new format, really slim chance for others to beat them.It's already 30 years since the current format was introduced in 1984 edition.

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    Interesting poll results so far. 75% want to keep to the present format. Bit surprised that 3 doubles and 2 singles has not got more votes.

    I remember in the days of 1998 and 2000, China had strong singles players. But Indonesia still won. Very, very exciting lineups. China only really came to winning because Fu Hai Feng and Cai Yun became a reliable men's doubles pair (and Indonesia went into decline). China also appointed a new team coach in the 1990's who also turned China into the consistent results that it turns out today.

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    Hmmmm @Cheung , only limited numbers had participated. May be around 20 or 30?. That does not reflect the true situation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cheung View Post
    Interesting poll results so far. 75% want to keep to the present format. Bit surprised that 3 doubles and 2 singles has not got more votes.I remember in the days of 1998 and 2000, China had strong singles players. But Indonesia still won. Very, very exciting lineups. China only really came to winning because Fu Hai Feng and Cai Yun became a reliable men's doubles pair (and Indonesia went into decline). China also appointed a new team coach in the 1990's who also turned China into the consistent results that it turns out today.
    INA had two formidable MD pairs at that time, Ricky/Rexy and Candra/Sigit while CHN was represented by Dong Jiong and Sun Jun but not really strong on their third singles. CHN had really powerful MS in mid 80's-1990 (Yang Yang-Xiong Guobao-Zhao Jianhua) also when they're represented by new Chinese trio (Lin Dan, Bao Chunlai, Chen Jin).

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    "Hmmmm @Cheung , only limited numbers had participated. May be around 20 or 30?. That does not reflect the true situation."

    IMO the low poll participation is caused by the less distinctive poll placement (just a normal thread), and there's NO indication in the title that a POLL does exist, one only knows if actually opens this thread.

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    Fixed now - I hope.

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    Thumbs up IMHO, it's best to have only 2 ties

    Quote Originally Posted by CantSmashThis View Post
    According to this article, http://www.thestar.com.my/Sport/Badm...-fewer-events/ BWF is planning to make changes to future Thomas and Uber Cups making it have less events, 1 singles, and 2 doubles instead of the current 3 singles and 2 doubles. Chong Wei favors this because he feels like this makes the competition more open, as opposed to China always winning due to their depth in the events. Also talked about was the scoring system change during the tournament that I've heard BWF has been twinkling with that was used in the IBL (Indian Badminton League). 1st two games are played to 21, 3rd game to 11.Thoughts?
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    IMHO, it's best to have only 2 ties : 1 Singles and 1 Doubles from each nation.

    If getting 1-all after the 2 ties, the total points scored should be compared.

    If the total points scored are the same; Have a re-match.

    We wish to see the best players from each nation competing. China can bring in semi-retired Lin Dan to participate.

    Get each nation to submit their best selected/appropriate players for each match. If so, we could get another Lee Chong Wei versus Lin Dan match again.
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    Like AlanY says, bring back the best-of-9. That was a true test of team strength.

    I do understand the BWF wants to expose the sport to as many countries as possible and it would be unrealistic for many countries to field a team to compete in a best-of-9 format.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chris-ccc View Post
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    IMHO, it's best to have only 2 ties : 1 Singles and 1 Doubles from each nation.

    If getting 1-all after the 2 ties, the total points scored should be compared.

    If the total points scored are the same; Have a re-match.

    We wish to see the best players from each nation competing. China can bring in semi-retired Lin Dan to participate.

    Get each nation to submit their best selected/appropriate players for each match. If so, we could get another Lee Chong Wei versus Lin Dan match again.
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    You can't be serious there Chris.
    Thomas Cup is all about team performance and team work. Every player of a nation wants to do their part, not let their teammates down, cheer them up. Thomas and Uber Cup are really THE event players dream about entering. Its prestige eclipse all other individual tournaments, because winning really represents a nations strength.
    What you are proposing looks more like a half sized Sudirman Cup. It may attract viewers, but in no way will it be more popular than the current format.

    In tennis, the equivalent is the Davis Cup.
    And in golf, the Ryder Cup is THE most prestigious event, whether Team or individual. Every golfers want to be in the team. And when they make it, the sheer excitement and stress level of the players skyrocket, much more than any other major tournament they've been in. A crowd cheering a team is much more noisy and stressful than a crowd cheering a single player. That's what brings the excitement.

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    in the first inception of Thomas/Uber Cup, it was a best of 9 events tournament, and the matches spans 2 days.

    in mid 80's, they changed it to the current best of 5 format.

    in true honestly, although the best of 9 format was exciting, it was too long.

    best of 5 is just the right length. it was enough to test the depth of a nation, as well as long enough to create an exciting spectacle for badminton fans. imagine you go out of your way to travel to the venue to watch the final, and then have to go home after 2 matches?!? that's just ridiculous.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kwun View Post
    in the first inception of Thomas/Uber Cup, it was a best of 9 events tournament, and the matches spans 2 days.

    in mid 80's, they changed it to the current best of 5 format.

    in true honestly, although the best of 9 format was exciting, it was too long.

    best of 5 is just the right length. it was enough to test the depth of a nation, as well as long enough to create an exciting spectacle for badminton fans. imagine you go out of your way to travel to the venue to watch the final, and then have to go home after 2 matches?!? that's just ridiculous.
    I agree the best-of-5 is about the sweet spot right now for a team event. Personally I would not settle for anything less than that, both from a purist or spectator point of view.

    Would be interesting if they reintroduced the best-of-9 in one off tests between countries. CHN v INA would indeed be sumptuous.

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    best of 9 was interesting. it wasn't really testing much more depth, as they allow players to repeat events. it was more of a "group" format where they play combination of single encounters as well as combination of doubles pairing.

    it was interesting in its own right but seems unnecessary given how long it drags on. die hard fans like us would sit 2 days for it, but most spectators will probably wonder when it will end.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kwun View Post
    best of 9 was interesting. it wasn't really testing much more depth, as they allow players to repeat events. it was more of a "group" format where they play combination of single encounters as well as combination of doubles pairing.

    it was interesting in its own right but seems unnecessary given how long it drags on. die hard fans like us would sit 2 days for it, but most spectators will probably wonder when it will end.
    They drag a best-of-5 Davis Cup tie over 3 days. How bad can 2 days be?

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    People just don't have the patience these days to watch anything lasting more than 2 hours. It's an ADD society craving instant gratification. So sad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by madbad View Post
    People just don't have the patience these days to watch anything lasting more than 2 hours. It's an ADD society craving instant gratification. So sad.
    not really right. ppl still watch Davis Cup, TV still broadcast them, and sponsor still pay good money for it.

    but once the word "badminton" is used, no one cares. the problem is not the format, dumbing things down will only make badminton even more dumb. they need to fix the root of the problem.

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