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    Quote Originally Posted by renbo View Post
    The reason LD did not compete in the qualification period is discussed in LD's thread. It was not up to his own choice, but was banned from tournaments by LYB.
    That's unfortunate that LD was prevented by LYB from competing in tournaments to get the ranking points needed to enter the WC.

    However, I would still support the defending champion getting automatic qualification even if he/she had no ranking points at all (such as last year). If you can manage to win the WC year after year, even if you have no ranking points, you are the best player there is. You deserve to defend your title the next year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nokh88 View Post
    Would there be so much anguish, misery and dissatisfaction if last year's champion wasn't LD?
    I dunno what your point is. The fact that he's the current World Champion is a large part of what makes this particular conversation quite different to others on the topic of wildcards and automatic qualification and I don't understand why people want to dismiss it. It's an important point. The champion can't defend his title.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tybalt View Post
    I dunno what your point is. The fact that he's the current World Champion is a large part of what makes this particular conversation quite different to others on the topic of wildcards and automatic qualification and I don't understand why people want to dismiss it. It's an important point. The champion can't defend his title.
    Agreed with Tybalt. If BWF made this change, it would affect the WC in the future. LD isn't part of this year's WC, but hopefully his omission would knock some sense into the BWF to make changes for the better.

    Let's look towards the future and not the present. I would want too see the champion in WS, WD, MD, XD all get to defend their title in the next year.

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    If badminton were popular and publicized among media, I think it would be great to see the decision of wild cards be based of a public vote

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tybalt View Post
    I dunno what your point is. The fact that he's the current World Champion is a large part of what makes this particular conversation quite different to others on the topic of wildcards and automatic qualification and I don't understand why people want to dismiss it. It's an important point. The champion can't defend his title.
    The important point is why has it taken 33 years for it to be an issue? Change it because of one example?

    I still think the solution is to expand the entry. Then, there is flexibility in inviting the former world champions by two wild cards for each category. After all, it wouldn't be good publicity if the world champion goes AWOL, fails to fulfill contributions to the game, doesn't play any tournaments, becomes a criminal and still goes to the World Championships.

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    Let's not forget that Lin Dan during his long hiatus was still indirectly promoting the sport in all his activities outside badminton and directly when he competed in the domestic league as well as incidentally participating in Peter Gade's Farewell Match, and all of that mainly just for being who he is as a badminton icon. Furthermore, in 2013 during his long break, he was appointed a Laureus sport ambassador for which he went to Rio de Janeiro,Brazil, to fulfill his duties.

    Personally I feel that all professional athletes who have devoted their youth and best years of their lives should be allowed and even encouraged to take a sufficient long break for whatever reasons personal or otherwise , eg, to set up family, do other things in life that they always wanted to do but never found the time, catch up with their families and spend quality time with loved ones, forced injury layoff, resume academic or other pursuits, etc or simply to rekindle their love of the sport or just to recharge themselves. As I've said before, you take a rest so as to travel further. More importantly, their is life outside badminton or any sport for that matter, to make our life more complete and fulfilling. As a former world chess champion ,Anatoly Karpov, including a few others used to say, chess is my life but my life is not only chess. To add, the late world chess champion , Mikhail Botvinnik, after winning the 1948 world title actually took three years off to finish his Doctorate in Engineering, after which he defended his title in 1951 without having to go through the qualification process - by the way, in chess, automatic qualification for the defending champions is the norm till today; in tennis, Kim Clijsters took two whole year off to start a family, giving birth to a child, and then won the US open on a wild card entry; Goran Ivanesivic, who retired and came back to win at Wimbledon as a wild card; and we can cite other examples in other sports.

    When Lee Hyun Il retired and come back three or four times, nobody is complaining but even welcomes it. So isn't it great, I'd say it's a blessing for badminton, that Lin Dan decides to make a serious comeback? Unless, of course, you've your agenda for thinking otherwise. For the sake of the sport at large, objectively speaking, it is always a good thing to see any player make a comeback as long as they are capable of contributing to the sport. I trust that's not just my opinion, ask Dr Kang, the ex-BWF president.

    To be exact, the OP's thread asks about automatic qualification for defending champions, not for Lin Dan specifically, but all defending/reigning champions in general. Implementing that would definitely simplify and clarify matters and still leave wild cards available for special cases or be used as the tournament organizer or BWF deem fit. Whether we should increase the number of entries is beside the point but worth considering as that would allow much lower-ranked players with outside chances of winning a chance to compete as well ( but , as expected, cost concerns and the resultant lengthening of the tournament will be issues to take into account).

    Putting aside our personal preferences or biases, anything that is ultimately for the good of the sport overall should be supported for indeed badminton is larger than any single player however great he/she is. Broadly speaking, I feel that automatic qualification for defending champions in the world championships may even be considered for extension in other big tourneys, say the four Premier SuperSeries and,perhaps, the SSF itself, as they can be regarded as badminton's Grand Slams (anyway, that's another point, good to have but not essential).

    Pardon me for being long-winded, some of the points bear repeating, and that's just my humble opinion. Lastly, as an aside, we've heard of the sad state of affairs the WC'14 has fallen into with several last-minute unexpected withdrawals due to retirement (Du Pengyu), injuries (Tantowi, Hendrawan and K Tago),and sickness (Simon Santoso). All the more reason why there should be flexibility and proper rules in place to ensure all the top contenders are included to maintain the highest level of competition at the world championships as befitting the stature of world champions.

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    Correction, I mean Mohd Ahsan's worsening lower back pain, not Hendrawan's (another mistake, it should be Hendra Setiawan), my apologies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cheung View Post
    The important point is why has it taken 33 years for it to be an issue? Change it because of one example?

    I still think the solution is to expand the entry. Then, there is flexibility in inviting the former world champions by two wild cards for each category. After all, it wouldn't be good publicity if the world champion goes AWOL, fails to fulfill contributions to the game, doesn't play any tournaments, becomes a criminal and still goes to the World Championships.
    Interesting thoughts in your second paragraph.

    On the point of it only just becoming an issue, the simplest retort I can provide on my phone is that it shouldn't really be an issue. It is in fact rather laughable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Justin L View Post
    To be exact, the OP's thread asks about automatic qualification for defending champions, not for Lin Dan specifically, but all defending/reigning champions in general. Implementing that would definitely simplify and clarify matters and still leave wild cards available for special cases or be used as the tournament organizer or BWF deem fit. Whether we should increase the number of entries is beside the point but worth considering as that would allow much lower-ranked players with outside chances of winning a chance to compete as well ( but , as expected, cost concerns and the resultant lengthening of the tournament will be issues to take into account).

    Putting aside our personal preferences or biases, anything that is ultimately for the good of the sport overall should be supported for indeed badminton is larger than any single player however great he/she is. Broadly speaking, I feel that automatic qualification for defending champions in the world championships may even be considered for extension in other big tourneys, say the four Premier SuperSeries and,perhaps, the SSF itself, as they can be regarded as badminton's Grand Slams (anyway, that's another point, good to have but not essential).
    Yup, this should be for all categories and not just MS - we should also apply it to WS, WD, MD, and XD.

    And I agree we should apply this to SS as well.

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    Absolutely. In fact, I think the whole "YOU'RE JUST SAYING THAT CUZ HE'S LIN DAN GRRR" line is actually repeated ironically more by people whose own personal biases against Lin Dan are affecting their objectivity.

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    its held in denmark. morten frost doesnt want lin dan to win at his country if this is tennis, lin dan would of gotten a wc months ahead. bwf is becoming like ittf, always trying to prevent china from winning.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kenjai7373 View Post
    its held in denmark. morten frost doesnt want lin dan to win at his country if this is tennis, lin dan would of gotten a wc months ahead. bwf is becoming like ittf, always trying to prevent china from winning.
    Seems you know your stuff in trying to troll.

    Can quote one of your previous posts from another thread....it contains some good advice.

    Quote Originally Posted by kenjai7373 View Post
    chinese fans take baits too easily. theres always gonna be the anti fans but just keep it to urselfs and not try to derail someone else's thread by replying in anyway cuz that will only create more bs from the anti fans. they will always be anti-china no matter what.
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    After seeing the winner of the MS finals, I'm happy for Chen Long as he is making a name for himself and trying to come out of the shadows of LD. But somehow in the back of my mind, I think Chen Long is the second in the pecking order for China. As much as I am happy for Chen Long's win, it would have been even nicer if Chen Long would have beaten LD (or LD got beaten by somebody else in this tournament) for Chen Long's win to be really meaningful.

    I know many people in China right now will remember Chen Long's win as the tournament where LD was absent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by galaxyduo View Post
    After seeing the winner of the MS finals, I'm happy for Chen Long as he is making a name for himself and trying to come out of the shadows of LD. But somehow in the back of my mind, I think Chen Long is the second in the pecking order for China. As much as I am happy for Chen Long's win, it would have been even nicer if Chen Long would have beaten LD (or LD got beaten by somebody else in this tournament) for Chen Long's win to be really meaningful.

    I know many people in China right now will remember Chen Long's win as the tournament where LD was absent.
    If LCW had won it, it would have been worse for you not being meaningful folk, but China won and look at it this way if Chen long had met LD in the final or semi nobody would have trusted that result either way, anyway and we all would still being saying things, so kinda equalises all this chat.
    Chen Long in the final at times played as good as anyone has played, good for him and congrats, amazing badminton to watch and a true champion

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    Exactly. This time, in Denmark, few Chinese fans, no LD, no 3 games with DPY, no LYB sitting on the other side, no air-conditioning... I don't know what else people would still come up with.

    Quote Originally Posted by craigandy View Post
    If LCW had won it, it would have been worse for you not being meaningful folk, but China won and look at it this way if Chen long had met LD in the final or semi nobody would have trusted that result either way, anyway and we all would still being saying things, so kinda equalises all this chat.

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