Pros yelling before the rally starts

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  1. Calfy

    Calfy Regular Member

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    Does any know the reason for doing this?l
     
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    To psyc themselves up, and to scare their opponents I suppose.

    But I really hate it. Like Zhang/Zhao, Ko, especially.
     
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    I think is more too morally boost themselves .... kill their nerves ... haha
     
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    Calming their nerves... when I get nervous, I get all pent up and sometimes difficult to breathe. A shout and sudden expelling of air helps me get my breath back and calm me down a bit... but that's just me.
     
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    It helps getting focused. I sometimes like to puff pretty hard before a rally, some people like to shout while doing it.
     
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    Release internal tension.....I guess
     
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    I do it sometimes to calm myself. But some people Jus do it over board. Like way too much. Maybe it became more to calm yourself and also scaring and to pressurize the opponent.
     
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    Kendo fighers do that.

    [video=youtube;18-ED2S8mDE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=18-ED2S8mDE[/video]
     
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    I came across this and I have to wonder how these kids will be like as they get older. What are they teaching them at such a young age? Carolina Marins in the making?

    [video=youtube;SjjrOlZ-78E]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SjjrOlZ-78E[/video]
     
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    I also had previously seen a video of some Chinese provincial badminton competition for children and youth... and it was the strangest thing to see 8-12 yr olds shouting, fist pumping and glaring like Bao Yixin when they win a point...

    I suppose this is what they're taught from very young...

    Will post the video when I find it again...
     
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    most of the doubles players do that...
     
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    This video is really scary!!
    This boy looks like an alien robot that just shouts out before and after every single point.
    Really weird stuff!

    (I'm not against shouting, fist pumping and the like! After an important point or before the point at 19:19 or something.)
     
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    Here is a good, simplified version of the term "Kiai" taken from this page:
    http://www.karatebyjesse.com/kiai-scream-meaning-purpose-why/

    To put it super simply; kiai is that scream you hear in most Asian martial arts.

    Although many people think kiai means something along the lines of “battle cry” or “spirited shout”, the truth is actually a little bit different.

    A quick look at the kanji (Sino-Japanese ideograms) that make up the word should give you a hint as to what the term really means:

    Ki = Energy
    Ai = Join

    In other words, kiai is the convergence of your energy.

    Thus, when you scream kiai, you are not only “screaming”, but more importantly compressing and delivering an instant release of your stored energy.

    (Of course, there exists debate among people in the martial arts community about the whole “ki/chi/qi” energy thing. Most of those people live on fluffy clouds. Here’s what ki really is.)

    When should you use kiai, then?
    There are no rules for kiai, but here’s when you could use it:

    When you want to channel your energy.
    When you need to kickstart your fighing spirit.
    When you’re attacking or countering an opponent.
    When you do a kata.
    When you want to demonstrate your power.
    When you need to breathe.
    When you want to startle your opponent.


    This is not only a martial arts thing, though. This expulsion of air/noise is used by many athletes and is also very much related to breathing exercises in yoga. Many musicians use various breathing techniques to calm the body prior to and during performance to prevent their muscles from stiffening while playing.

    The reason for all of these is has to do with gas exchange and the effects on the body.

    Hearing some people, it's definitely annoying, but live and let live. As long as it doesn't directly interfere
    with your opponent, or openly challenge your opponent, I think it's fine.
     
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    Interesting... tks for the explanation...
     
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    By some of the posts in this thread you'd think this was a new phenomena :D. This is the same discussion as should tennis players grunt so much ...
    Some (doubles) players are definitely annoyed by it, so i guess it does interfere ...
     
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    And it's just like the opponent at my previous match... I was thinking at my opponent like "Man! You don't have powers do you"... Especially when I lose at the score 19-21.

    I don't think the yelling players are oftentimes like Eagles. (No disrespect)... But really even you want to shout but why do it if it distracts other players or making yourself feel powerful.. Then why don't themselves feel powerful like posing confident before the game.
     
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    I can't stand it either. It's quite off putting.

    Saina Newal and Carolina Marin does it after each point they score which I think is not to pump themselves up, but rather to put off the opponent. Occasional mini-celebration after a very good point I can accept, but after every point?

    There's also that Malaysian XD lady that yells all the time? Can't remember her name but she yells after every point they score then stares out the opponent!
     
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    ^ hey you missed out BYJ
    CM' shreiks is really annoying I agree..
    But if you look at SN WSX or WYH they only shout when either they have won a very good rally, or when they are under pressure and are in urgent need of boosting themselves...
    It can not be compared to the grunts of tennis surely
     
  19. InvincibleAjay

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    Good players but definitely annoying. I see the benefit when you are doing a hard smash, I shout sometimes to channel my energy to the shuttle but repetitive like this I do not do.

    Kindest regards,

    -Ajay-

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    Use soft words and hard arguments.
     
  20. Calfy

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    Wow didn't realise there were more comments.

    My question wasn't directed at celebration after a point like CM or grunts in tennis for power.

    But its what Zhang Nan, Endo/Hayakawa and some other players do.
    I have tried it a few times and I find it helps to stop the hard breathing when I'm tired.

    Anyone else find this?

    I saw a video years ago of Japanese high school training, i think Tago's name was in the Video, where all the kids in the Hall were doing that one after another. Don't know if anyone else has seen that video?
     

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