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04-02-2004, 11:33 AM #1
Tony Gunawan's partners
who was Tony's partners before Candra? i know he partnered Candra around Sydney time and then later on partnered Halim. but who was his partner before Candra and how successful were they?
04-02-2004, 11:58 AM #2Originally Posted by kwun
04-02-2004, 12:09 PM #3
and before that it was rexy mainaky... and before that, tony gunawan was quite an unknown player. So it can be said that it was rexy who brought tony into the limelight.
04-02-2004, 12:28 PM #4
ah.. i see i see.
i am trying to figure out how the synergy between the few Indonesian players work. so for the timeline:
Tony/Rexy - Tony still young then
Tony/Halim (young) - Candra/Sigit (successful WC 1997)
Sigit banned for drug - Tony/Candra (successful)) - Halim sits on the sideline
Tony/Candra - Halim/Sigit (unsuccessful)
Tony/Halim (sucessful) - Candra/Sigit (successful)
Halim/Trikus (it was trikus, right? unsuccessful) - Candra/Sigit (problems)
Halim/Candra (not successful) - Sigit/Trikus (not successful)
so to summarize for each players:
Sigit - positive
Tony - positive
Halim - not positive
Halim - positive
Candra - positive
Candra - positive
Halim - not positive
Trikus - not positive
Candra - not postiive
Tony - positive
Sigit - not positive
as you can see, Tony seems to be the enabler out of all of them. he has synergy with all players.
while Halim is not. Halim needs someone to bring the best out of him. if he dosen't partner with an enabler, he fails.
Candra is only compatible with some partners. he had synergy with Sigit but unsuccessful with Halim, so Candra isn't an enabler.
Sigit similarly, he needs to have someone compatible with him. otherwise he does get very far..
04-03-2004, 10:33 PM #5
i find what happened is simply that tony is a setter. So whoever he partners, as long as that person plays predictably (eg halim who bangs everything high in a straight direction) he can do a lot of things to create opportunities.
And the reason tony never partners sigit is because sigit is also a setter. However, sigit's setting is quite unpredictable, so sometimes he gets his own side into trouble. Which is why sigit is only successful with chandra, who is a very good and consistent player. Partnered with tony, the tony/chandra pairing is lethal!
i think tony got his setting skills from rexy, who is also one of the most creative players ard!
04-03-2004, 11:28 PM #6
Regarding doubles partnerships, here's what I've learned from a coach.
There are two types of players.
i) Set-up player - shorter, and/or weaker body build; basically a player who can't produce a thundering smash
ii) Power player - taller, and/or stockier body build
Set-up player's role is to set up their partner for a putaway. This is done by dumping to the net, preferably to the middle. The set-up player, when in the back-court, should not try to smash too much from the back because they won't be strong enough to effectively penetrate the opponent's defense. To get themselves to the front, they can drop to the same side corner and rush the front.
Power player's role is to smash, and set up their partner at the net for putaways.
Whose role is it to end the rally? It is both players' role to end the rally, since they both work to set each other up. This is called playing for your partner. Example of playing for your partner: when given a kill shot near the front court, you are supposed to hit cross-court in case of a return, your partner will not be out of position to reach it.
How do these types of players coexist?
i) Set-up/Power - best partnership
ii) Set-up/Set-up - not as effective as set-up/power, but it can work
iii) Power/Power - not effective; both players are just focused on smashing
04-04-2004, 01:24 AM #7
Just a question.
Between the pairing of Kim Dong Moon and Ha Tae Kwon, which one is the set-up player and which is the power player?
04-04-2004, 04:20 AM #8
it is not always so clear-cut who's the power and who's the setter.
but if you want me to pick between Kim/Ha, i think Ha is the more power player, but Kim himself is no slouch either and can make some very sharp and thundering smash himself. and perhaps that's why they are such a successful pairing.
04-04-2004, 12:50 PM #9
Of course, at world-class level badminton, successful pairings aren't going to be clear-cut set-up and power players. Anyone who reaches such a level of badminton is likely taller than average height, and can produce a good smash. At this level, I think that the concept of playing for your partner applies more so than the set-up/power partnerships which are more applicable to intermediate levels of badminton.
04-05-2004, 11:52 AM #10
for kim/ha, the set up player is obviously kim. Just look at how he changes the pace of the game! it's surreal! it's part of the reason why he and ra are the best in the world! he sets up the game from behind and ra, the killer/power, who is damn fast, will kill any lose shots easily!
correct. IMHO, in the pros circuit, it is true that it's not always clear cut who is settler/power. coz creative players like these will have a shot that can kill. eg, kim's not so hard but super steep smash or tony's precision smashing that allows him to smash from the back and gradually come forward.
04-13-2004, 05:49 PM #11Originally Posted by kwun
Hey Halim and Trikus didn't do too bad I think... Trikus' actually quite a powerful player.. that's why he dominated in mixed...
Were there any matches played with Sigit and Tony paired up?
04-14-2004, 03:23 AM #12Originally Posted by Lihyo
04-14-2004, 06:58 PM #13
I'm thinking Cheah Soon Kit and Yap Kim Hock (or Soo Beng Kiang or pretty much anyone who partners Cheah SK ), should be obvious who'se the setter in this pairing.
Originally Posted by Phil
04-19-2004, 01:43 AM #14
You know what's funny, but true? I was at OCBC and I got to play a doubles game against Tony's wife and a US junior player, and Tony G was my doubles partner for that one game! LOL
My gosh, they were driving and I just was bent down letting Tony take everything, and occassionally, I would be like, "Tony, was that mine?" and very quietly he'd say "yes".
He's quite the joker when he's playing in practice (when it's not a drill or anything too important).
But yeah, playing with top level players like that (even having them as partners) is quiet scary, LOL
04-19-2004, 02:53 AM #15Originally Posted by reaper
Reaper, do you find yourself to play worst than usual when you paired with Tony? Sometimes, I find myself imitimated when playing with someone way above my level and play worser than my usual level.
04-19-2004, 08:37 AM #16
Regarding Setup players and Power players (or Hit player):
Jake Downey further divides them into Front and Rear.
And a player can have more than one attribute. They can be both setup and hit players.
Rear hit player:
requires a powerful smash, hit with control and accuracy. He must be strong with the local muscular endurance that is required to keep smashing hard with consistency. He must be alert, agile, quick off the mark and able to jump upwards, sideways or backwards to smash the shuttle. Strength, good balance and power are needed to land lightly and to recover quickly to travel into position to cover any replies that get past the front player.
Front hit player:
needs quick reflexes, a high level of agility and a very fast racquet hand, able to generate force quickly with the minimum of racquet head movement. He should possess power and be able to use it to accelerate quickly from his front position to intercept and attack shuttles driven across the net at speed, or whipped upwards within his reach. Speed of recovery is most important for he must commit himself fully to the attack when the chance arises to hit a winner. He must be adventurous and be prepared to take risks. His job is to keep the pressure on the opponents and hit the winner whenever possible.
Rear Setup player:
must possess a range of strokes from high and low positions. He should be able to vary the speed and trajectory of the shuttle. He needs good control of the racquet face to vary the direction of the shuttle and catch the opponents wrongly balanced. He should be able to mix snashes with drop shots performed with some deception. He must be patient and prepared to work to create the opening. Imagination and deception are a feature of his play. When the shuttle is low he needs control, accuracy and deception to create a situation that forces the opponents to lift, or to prevent them attacking his reply. He must be ready at all times to cover his front player's adventurous attacks to the net for, once committed, it is unlikely that the front player will recover in time to cover the replies hit away from him at the sides or over his head.
Fron Setup player:
must possess good racquet control, a fine touch and a feel for the shuttle for he will need to play blocks, net replies, pushes to the forecourt and midcourt, and to slow the speed of the shuttle when necessary. He must be quick and alert, with good balance to intercept the opponents' replies. Additionally, he should be able to hit a winner off any weak replies. He should appear as a threat to the opponents, forcing them to lift rather than hit a reply to the forecourt or midcourt. In general, he will not attempt to hit a winner. He is not required to be adventurous and take chances. He requires patience, concentration and a good tactical mind to enable him to "read" the game, anticipate the opponents' replies and make sure that he misses no pportunity to create an opening for his partner, the hit-player to his rear.
04-19-2004, 10:02 AM #17Originally Posted by SmashingBird
So yeah, I am intimidated if I'm playing with someone way above my level, especially if that person is someone I have watched and admired on TV!!
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