Chen Hong already achieved better than all active

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  1. fan

    fan Guest

    Well, you guys just totally blind.

    Chen Hong is already a much better player than all the active indonesians, at least he's got much better achievements.

    Chen Hong's got 5 or more titles already. Who in the Indonesia got more titles? Taufik might be the only one who is worthy to mention. How many titles Hendrawan got? How many titles Marleve Mainaky got? How many for Rony or Budi or what ever indonesian name you name? One chicken's foot toes are enough for the total summary of all these players.

    Let's compare Chen Hong and Taufik. Chen Hong's champion titles are from all over the world, from Europe to East Asia, from China to South east asian. While all Taufik's title are from Indonesia and its neighbors (1 or 2). What's the biggest title Taufik got? Indonesia open? or Asian Champion held in indonesia again without Chinese participation. Chen Hong even got Asian Champion before which held in south east asian too. Have Taufik plus Hendrawan plus Mainaky plus Rony plus Budi plus Johan plus Yudi plus all active indonesians got any title from Europe, or or from east Asia China, Japan, Korea? Chen Hong got all of that while none Indonesian got any of that.

    Talking about the biggest title, Chen Hong's the national champion in China. What Taufik got? Even Taufik or who ever's Indonesian's champ. There's no comparison. Since Chinese got all the titles from Olympic Champion, China Open, World Championships, All England, Japan Open, Denmark Open, Swiss Open, Grand Prix Final Champion... therefore, Chen Hong, as national champion from China, is a better player than Olympic Champion, China Open Champion, World Championships Champion, All England Champion, Japan Open Champion, Denmark Open Champion, Swiss Open Champion, and Grand Prix Final Champion. While you indonesia champion is only better than your indonesia open champion which held at the hell for all the other world wide shuttlers.

    You guys attitudes are really annoying. When you guys talked about Chinese players, every words from your mouth seem so stupid. You might think you superior to Chinese or what. Some writings from Yudhi, Adel, Budi, Pebulutangkis … are really disgusting. If your brain is not functioning, you'd better shut your mouth up.
     
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    Re: Chen Hong already achieved better than all act

    Yo man, I have nothing but love for the Chinese...well..I'm Chinese myself but that's aside from the fact. They have been dominating in the Olympics, the All England and other major tournaments. But ONE THING stands clear...they can't mess with the doubles Indonesian pair Sigit/Candra and Tony/Halim. I watch the All England...bad ass I tell you...bad ass...I cheer for no one...I only look at facts and games (like yourself fan). I only want to watch the intense matches..anyone have the Japan Open on tape?
     
  3. Kelly

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    Re: Chen Hong already achieved better than all act

    Hi fan,

    I truly understand your feelings, but pls control your emotions as you might ended up mistaken as the "Pang Chen" bug (else Kwun might just kick you out, I don't hope that to happen).

    For your info, I am also Chen Hong's fan. But the fact that we have to accept is he needs to perform consistently in every match (as in my earlier posting). Hopefully, we can expect bigger things from him in future championships.
    :)
     
  4. Yudhi

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    Re: Chen Hong already achieved better than all act

    Don't talk about championship now, do you know that Chen Hong only won 1 time against Taufik in their 4 meetings?
    That prove that he is not as good.
     
  5. May

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    Re: Chen Hong already achieved better than all act

    Not necessarily. It could juz mean dat Chen Hong's form dat day isn't good. But he isn't all dat consistent though.
     
  6. terence

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    Really?

    dear may,

    If cheng hong isn't that consistent, i think taufik is even worst.cause he is even more inconsistent than cheng hong.May wrote:
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    > Not necessarily. It could juz mean dat Chen Hong's form
    > dat day isn't good. But he isn't all dat consistent
    > though.
     
  7. terence

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    are u sure?

    dear yudhi,

    i think cheng hong had already beaten taufik twice in the very latest meeting.Despite taufik may have won cheng hong,but it was quite long ago.
    Cheng hong had shown vast improvement.
    Yudhi wrote:
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    > Don't talk about championship now, do you know that
    > Chen Hong only won 1 time against Taufik in their 4 meetings?
    > That prove that he is not as good.
     
  8. Adel

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    Re: Chen Hong already achieved better than all act

    Excuse me, but doesn't this sound like an ad hominem argument?

    I agree with your point that Indonesian players tend to do better within the SE Asian region, faltering in many other tournaments but the way you've put it across sounds almost as undesirable as the Indonesian supporters whom you condemn. You may have done your homework but you sound more as though you've been using the facts and figures... to bash whomever you disagree with.

    Why should I think I'm superior to Chinese? I'm Chinese myself, but at least wrt badminton, my preferences lie with Indonesia. Even then, I don't agree with player/country bashing or any form of excessive support. I do make it a point to sound as neutral as I can in my other msgs, except maybe those on Singapore, which doesn't happen to come into the picture. I can't claim to have been a total success at it but I'm pretty sure that even my most offensive message has more neutrality in it than this.
     
  9. Kelly

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    Re: are u sure?

    Agree with Terence.
    Yudhi, it's the recent win that matters.
    Taufik with a recent string of losses even to the unknown like Boonsak, Anders Boesen and Lee Tsuen Seng is no longer a force which everyone fears!
     
  10. May

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    Re: Really?

    sori, meant to put: But both aren't all dat consistent though.
     
  11. terence

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    i agree with fan

    i agree with fan .The chinese players have shown great improvent over other.In the past,many people is talking abt who is greater than who.Consistancy may be important but,badminton is not only game that determine its winner by speed,skills and strength.It is also a game of mental strength.the chinese have won almost all major title,like the all-england and olympic which are true test of mental toughness.The chinese have proven that they can win in this crucial matches.Shouldn't they deserve more recognition more than the indonesians
    As for the doubles,perhaps is the style of coaching which unable chinese team to develope good doubles players from young.it will be even more difficult for the chinese to stand a chance as the indonesians and korean are producing more promising doubles players. i think the chinese have fail to learn anything from the indonesians and the malaysians.However,it is encouraging to see the excellent performance of zhang jun ad zhan wei in the recent asia cup

    terencefan wrote:
    >
    > Well, you guys just totally blind.
    >
    > Chen Hong is already a much better player than all the active
    > indonesians, at least he's got much better achievements.
    >
    > Chen Hong's got 5 or more titles already. Who in the
    > Indonesia got more titles? Taufik might be the only one who
    > is worthy to mention. How many titles Hendrawan got? How many
    > titles Marleve Mainaky got? How many for Rony or Budi or what
    > ever indonesian name you name? One chicken's foot toes are
    > enough for the total summary of all these players.
    >
    > Let's compare Chen Hong and Taufik. Chen Hong's champion
    > titles are from all over the world, from Europe to East Asia,
    > from China to South east asian. While all Taufik's title are
    > from Indonesia and its neighbors (1 or 2). What's the biggest
    > title Taufik got? Indonesia open? or Asian Champion held in
    > indonesia again without Chinese participation. Chen Hong even
    > got Asian Champion before which held in south east asian too.
    > Have Taufik plus Hendrawan plus Mainaky plus Rony plus Budi
    > plus Johan plus Yudi plus all active indonesians got any
    > title from Europe, or or from east Asia China, Japan, Korea?
    > Chen Hong got all of that while none Indonesian got any of
    > that.
    >
    > Talking about the biggest title, Chen Hong's the national
    > champion in China. What Taufik got? Even Taufik or who ever's
    > Indonesian's champ. There's no comparison. Since Chinese got
    > all the titles from Olympic Champion, China Open, World
    > Championships, All England, Japan Open, Denmark Open, Swiss
    > Open, Grand Prix Final Champion... therefore, Chen Hong, as
    > national champion from China, is a better player than Olympic
    > Champion, China Open Champion, World Championships Champion,
    > All England Champion, Japan Open Champion, Denmark Open
    > Champion, Swiss Open Champion, and Grand Prix Final Champion.
    > While you indonesia champion is only better than your
    > indonesia open champion which held at the hell for all the
    > other world wide shuttlers.
    >
    > You guys attitudes are really annoying. When you guys talked
    > about Chinese players, every words from your mouth seem so
    > stupid. You might think you superior to Chinese or what. Some
    > writings from Yudhi, Adel, Budi, Pebulutangkis … are really
    > disgusting. If your brain is not functioning, you'd better
    > shut your mouth up.
     
  12. terence

    terence Guest

    i agree with fan

    i agree with fan .The chinese players have shown great improvent over other.In the past,many people is talking abt who is greater than who.Consistancy may be important but,badminton is not only game that determine its winner by speed,skills and strength.It is also a game of mental strength.the chinese have won almost all major title,like the all-england and olympic which are true test of mental toughness.The chinese have proven that they can win in this crucial matches.Shouldn't they deserve more recognition more than the indonesians
    As for the doubles,perhaps is the style of coaching which unable chinese team to develope good doubles players from young.it will be even more difficult for the chinese to stand a chance as the indonesians and korean are producing more promising doubles players. i think the chinese have fail to learn anything from the indonesians and the malaysians.However,it is encouraging to see the excellent performance of zhang jun ad zhan wei in the recent asia cup

    regards
    terence.


    fan wrote:
    >
    > Well, you guys just totally blind.
    >
    > Chen Hong is already a much better player than all the active
    > indonesians, at least he's got much better achievements.
    >
    > Chen Hong's got 5 or more titles already. Who in the
    > Indonesia got more titles? Taufik might be the only one who
    > is worthy to mention. How many titles Hendrawan got? How many
    > titles Marleve Mainaky got? How many for Rony or Budi or what
    > ever indonesian name you name? One chicken's foot toes are
    > enough for the total summary of all these players.
    >
    > Let's compare Chen Hong and Taufik. Chen Hong's champion
    > titles are from all over the world, from Europe to East Asia,
    > from China to South east asian. While all Taufik's title are
    > from Indonesia and its neighbors (1 or 2). What's the biggest
    > title Taufik got? Indonesia open? or Asian Champion held in
    > indonesia again without Chinese participation. Chen Hong even
    > got Asian Champion before which held in south east asian too.
    > Have Taufik plus Hendrawan plus Mainaky plus Rony plus Budi
    > plus Johan plus Yudi plus all active indonesians got any
    > title from Europe, or or from east Asia China, Japan, Korea?
    > Chen Hong got all of that while none Indonesian got any of
    > that.
    >
    > Talking about the biggest title, Chen Hong's the national
    > champion in China. What Taufik got? Even Taufik or who ever's
    > Indonesian's champ. There's no comparison. Since Chinese got
    > all the titles from Olympic Champion, China Open, World
    > Championships, All England, Japan Open, Denmark Open, Swiss
    > Open, Grand Prix Final Champion... therefore, Chen Hong, as
    > national champion from China, is a better player than Olympic
    > Champion, China Open Champion, World Championships Champion,
    > All England Champion, Japan Open Champion, Denmark Open
    > Champion, Swiss Open Champion, and Grand Prix Final Champion.
    > While you indonesia champion is only better than your
    > indonesia open champion which held at the hell for all the
    > other world wide shuttlers.
    >
    > You guys attitudes are really annoying. When you guys talked
    > about Chinese players, every words from your mouth seem so
    > stupid. You might think you superior to Chinese or what. Some
    > writings from Yudhi, Adel, Budi, Pebulutangkis … are really
    > disgusting. If your brain is not functioning, you'd better
    > shut your mouth up.
     
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    Re: Chen Hong already achieved better than all act

    Yes
     
  14. terence

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    it is impolite of fan,he earns all of u an apology

    i may agree fan's view,but i don't agree his criticism over some of u.he has absolutely no right to call people to shut up.i belive everyone here is sincere to make constructive msgs on our passion and love of badminton. We are not here to offend or to be offended.i suggest that fan should make an apology to people here.Adel should not take fan's remarks seriously and to forget what he had said.









    Adel wrote:
    >
    > Excuse me, but doesn't this sound like an ad hominem
    > argument?
    >
    > I agree with your point that Indonesian players tend to do
    > better within the SE Asian region, faltering in many other
    > tournaments but the way you've put it across sounds almost as
    > undesirable as the Indonesian supporters whom you condemn.
    > You may have done your homework but you sound more as though
    > you've been using the facts and figures... to bash whomever
    > you disagree with.
    >
    > Why should I think I'm superior to Chinese? I'm Chinese
    > myself, but at least wrt badminton, my preferences lie with
    > Indonesia. Even then, I don't agree with player/country
    > bashing or any form of excessive support. I do make it a
    > point to sound as neutral as I can in my other msgs, except
    > maybe those on Singapore, which doesn't happen to come into
    > the picture. I can't claim to have been a total success at it
    > but I'm pretty sure that even my most offensive message has
    > more neutrality in it than this.
     
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    Elegance

    I've only watched one Chen Hong matches, from Danish Open 2000, where he lost to Gade, so I really have no clear opinion from that one match. But he was playing very badly and above all -- he seemed almost clumsy on the court. Sure, he moves fast and seems to have a good head, but his platying just completely lacked all elegancy. And I find that important -- it's not just the results, it's how you achieve them too... And by the way, Gade is no favorite either in that sense -- I find him a bit boring to watch actually...

    Again, please take this with a pinch of salt as it's based on a single match only... It's intended more perhaps as a proposal that Chen Hong is able enough, but he's not the most creative and elegant player around... A "brute", to put it short.
     
  16. Cary

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    Re: i don't agree with fan

    What's there to argue about? What does it matter if who is a greater player? As a true fan of badminton, you would only admire good players, irrespective of his/her nationality. It is certainly fallacy to say that Chinese national champion is a better player of all the Chinese major titleholders. How about a guy who beats the Chinese national champion? Is he supposed to be even a better player of all those Chinese major titleholders? It is so much more interesting that the men's events in badminton is not dominated by one nation. Consider how dull it would have been if it were the other way round, just like table tennis and the women's events in badminton. It may be harmful to the sport too. We should be thankful that Indonesia keeps on producing good players like Taufik, Hendrawen and the excellent men's doubles players. I also consider it a pleasant surprise to find an Indian fetched the 2001 All England and a young Thai beating leading players in the recent Asia Cup, not to mention the hardworking Malaysian Roslim who won two major titles in a row. The better players deserve the titles and admiration, no matter which country they belongs to.
     
  17. terence

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    Re: Elegance

    well,elangancy is not really important in winning.They are badminton player who play to win,not badminton model displaying the latest edtion of yonex shirt.

    Gracious movement allows a player to move smoothly on the court.That's why many people enjoy watching taufik and peter.But they dont always move so graciously in every game.this is because of leg injury which is so common in badminton players.if i 'm not wrong,cheng hong suffered from hamstring injury after winning the olympic model.it could one of the main reason why he play so badly.






    Mag wrote:
    >
    > I've only watched one Chen Hong matches, from Danish
    > Open 2000, where he lost to Gade, so I really have no clear
    > opinion from that one match. But he was playing very badly
    > and above all -- he seemed almost clumsy on the court. Sure,
    > he moves fast and seems to have a good head, but his platying
    > just completely lacked all elegancy. And I find that
    > important -- it's not just the results, it's how you achieve
    > them too... And by the way, Gade is no favorite either in
    > that sense -- I find him a bit boring to watch actually...
    >
    > Again, please take this with a pinch of salt as it's based on
    > a single match only... It's intended more perhaps as a
    > proposal that Chen Hong is able enough, but he's not the most
    > creative and elegant player around... A "brute", to put it
    > short.
     
  18. Bbn

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    Re: Elegance

    I feel like a bug for starting this stuff. CH has improved

    tremendously while others stagnated. Actually the intention of

    bringing up CH is to use him as an example of a thinking,

    cunning,and continuously improving player, so that young

    players can also develop their games along these lines.It is not

    the intention to stir up rivalry amonst fans.
     
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    Re: are u sure?

    "No longer a force which everyone fears" is a bit excessive... every player will have his/her ups and downs. Xia Xuanze and Ji Xinpeng haven't been performing well recently but I don't think we can rule them out completely. Gong Zhichao had a rough patch as well but is almost unbeatable now.
     
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    Re: are u sure?

    Don't be surprised in 2 weeks time when

    Xia emerges from his retreat with guns blazing.
     

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