Thread: Diving: Coached or not?
07-18-2004, 07:27 PM #1
Diving: Coached or not?
Been thinking about this for a while. Compare diving for a second...
European: Anyone see Marting Lungaard Hansen dive? Pretty good, put however he lands flat on the floor recovery time not so quick.
Asian: Shuttle connected with, hand then land on ground and the back end swings round. Ables to push up alot quicker (eg Wong Coong Han, Xia Xianze, Lin Dan)
So my question is, do you think that diving is coached, even possibly as a small percentage of training, in Asia?
07-18-2004, 08:18 PM #2
That's a difficult one because I've never heard a coach saying anything about diving they're all too busy teaching footwork
Good point though, maybee in Asia they've just got better divers, then again explain David Ginola?
07-18-2004, 08:45 PM #3
Well in my point of view , if you become a professional for a long time , it sort of like an instinct when it comes to diving. And automatically you are aware and knows how to recover fast. maybe we should foward this question to JR and Laybourn.
07-18-2004, 08:49 PM #4
JR is good at it, but with the Asians, it seems fluent? The landing, swift movement of the legs coming round, then back up to feet, it seems almost routine.
07-18-2004, 08:52 PM #5
I think it comes from the trainning method where you do pumping and then jump up to do jumping jacks..and then go back down on the floor pumping...
07-18-2004, 09:03 PM #6
I think...if you are well trained, and you are mentally as well as physically attached to the shuttle, it will be natural for you to dive when u see that you need to in order to reach the shuttle. As for the recovery, the better you are physically, then the faster you recover. Keep in mind, most of the Asian players are quicker than the European players, which could be the reason why they recover faster.
07-19-2004, 12:30 AM #7
yes, but only when all the all footwork fundamentals and advanced have been mastered.
07-19-2004, 01:49 AM #8Originally Posted by Dill
Personally, I don't dive but do a lot of desperate lunges and never end up flat on the floor because I think recovery is will very much be screwed, not even in doubles.
07-19-2004, 08:45 AM #9Originally Posted by ants
07-19-2004, 11:15 AM #10
I think the asian players you mentioned were also condiderably younger than Luungaard hansen (33?) even wongand Xia are seven years younger than him. Age affects athletic ability, especially flexibility and speed. Also european tend not to be as agile and flexible than asians.
They may do however I cant believe li yong bo would set up a routine where they were feeding shuttles to the players and telling them to dive to get to the shuttle. remember diving represents footwork problem, i is not a footwork technique.
07-19-2004, 11:53 AM #11
If your on one side of the court, and your opponent plays a step smash not even years of footwork routine will manage you to get the shuttle back, so diving is the solution. I wouldnt say it resembles bad footwork in the slightest...it does when the shuttle is only a couple of feet away.
07-20-2004, 10:26 AM #12
As someone who is considered an expert at diving (at least in my club anyway ) you have to consider where a person is diving to.
A dive straight ahead means a hard flat landing that is difficult to get up from.
A dive to the side usually means a landing on the side of the body. From this position it is easier to tuck your leg(s) up and push up off the floor. Also a dive to the side will quite often allow the player to land on their back shoulder area and from this continue to roll onto one's feet.
That's what I do anyway.
07-20-2004, 11:05 AM #13Originally Posted by Tomsk
07-22-2004, 01:59 PM #14
maybe its the asian physique.... built to be springy and light, for kung-fu style moves.
The same way we asians have a harder time bulking up like most caucasians can build muscles.
07-22-2004, 06:24 PM #15
I wouldn't be surprised if badminton players and coaches learn diving from volleyball players/coaches and then apply it to badminton. Volleyball players have the smoothest, most efficient dives, and their recovery is also very quick.
07-23-2004, 02:41 PM #16Originally Posted by Matt Ross
If your opponent is able to hit a steep smash, then that must infer that the shuttle is high (in order to get the angle). If the shuttle was high, then surely you wouldnt be (with correct footwork) at one corner of the court when you opponent strikes the shuttle.
07-23-2004, 04:06 PM #17
Internationals are so deceptive now days who knows what corner they will hit in to. Sometimes is not a matter of playing the right shot, its a matter of diving the shot back. Most returns from a steep smash is to the play the shuttle back to the net. If you are guessing incorrectly, there is no option but to die. There is another uption, but that is to lose the point.
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