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    Quote Originally Posted by Mag
    Cooler, I merely responded to your statements about Athens line judges being "local volunteers", as I knew that was not the case.

    Regarding your interesting photo investigation: are you sure you didn't misplace the shuttle 0.5 mm? That would make the shuttle a definite IN or a definite OUT in your photos.

    I think you have showed clearly that this line judges' decision was indeed impossible, or arbitrary if you like. So, the best ruling would have been if he/she put hands over eyes (because it was impossible to judge) and let the umpire rule, hopefully a "let".
    in the 3d reconstruction, the line edge to center of shuttle contact point is 3mm.

    in the following up outline of the 2d black and white, that distance is 4 to 5mm. (not exact because 2d couldnt give me the exact contact point)

    As noticed by Neil, the 3d reconstruction is about 1 to 2 mm closer to the line edge than what really was he saw from the original video captured image.
    Last edited by cooler; 09-27-2004 at 03:56 PM.

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    i dont have the photos to attach but from the cctv5 slo-mo replay of the 3 bad line calls against (IN) peter gade during the 2005 sudirman MS match between taufik and peter gade, I viewed them and make my calls, 2 were OUT while 1 was IN.

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    I'm not really sure about the exact rules of badminton but..

    Can't the umpire call a 'let'? As in replay the shot since its almost impossible to call? (Based from the poll)

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    OUT the most percentage of the shuttle is in the outside of the court

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    It depends. If I hit it.. of course it is in
    if my opponent hit this .. it is out

    seriously, i think it is out.

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    Default still in the air? or not

    I think it pretty much depends if that is actually touching the floor. If it is I think it would be IN but at that angle if it was still in the air it would of went a little bit further and would be out ? O.o close one though...

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    Quote Originally Posted by baddersfreakz View Post
    OUT the most percentage of the shuttle is in the outside of the court
    Doesn't matter how much is out. If it touches the line its still in.

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    Judging from the video or pic,it can be called as an out.But the live line umpires would probably call it in.

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    This is not a video, but if you tell me it's a capture of the precise moment any part of the shuttle FIRST TOUCHES the ground, i would say it touched the green floor FIRST.

    However, I am also sure that most umpires would call such a shot IN during a match. Usually a shuttle is called out only when there is totally no suspicion of it having touched the line or not.

    Verdict:
    Going by strict rules it'd be an OUT, but IN call usually wins benefit of doubt

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    Nowadays it depends on who's playing and who's judging.





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    we need keep showing the BWF the can of worms, hopefully they squirm and wake up and do something. In post #1, the sample photo showed a shuttle even more closer to the line.
    Quote Originally Posted by Destricto_Ense View Post


    Ouch. I did not know that the moment had been caught so clearly by a line-cam... ojojoj, poor Tago. Well he will be sure to protest more strongly next time!

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    problem is, if player can forget about it, then bwf will keep on sitting on their butt and do nothing, or using excuse of 'we're looking into it'. Line camera is cheap to install, we don't need hawkeye system. Cork doesn't compresses like tennis ball, a cork shadow over the line helps to decide in some cases, still not for all cases. A line-cam for each major lines should does the job. In badminton, a camera view in the axis of the line is preferred, not like in tennis where a top down view from the hawkeye system.

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    Look at the poll, 52% of people guessed wrong (in my opinion and from my photo case study). This support that under normal tv camera angle on a above ground view, more than half guessed wrong. This support my view that in 2007 CO, outside audience or tv fans, without the aid of on-the-line cam, can be wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kwun View Post
    the call by the linesman was:

    IN !

    it seem so did the line judge in 2010 AE MSF too

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    To be fair for all players, we need eagle eyes !!

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    The replay shows its out. Yeah the feather maybe is in but the cork is out!!!!!!

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    do recall that a couple of points earlier in Tagos match, his block/lift that the line judge deemed to be out, was in aswell, thats two points in the space of 3 minutes

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