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    Quote Originally Posted by lcleing View Post
    Marc might not be player of LD's quality but he is a good player. He beat Hafiz and Chen Long enroute to the final of Denmark Open 2009. And he did beat Kashyap(the current Indian no 1) and CJ to reach the semifinal. Surely, he must have something in him to be able to beat these players. I do not know what exactly you expect MArc to do but he did also stretch players like Gade to 3 sets before(and beating Gade in some Euro championship before if I remember correctly), proving that he is not a player easy to play with.

    LD is much more vulnerable than before? Can you highlight to me on which era of Lin Dan are you comparing to? 2009, when LD looked almost invincible just because he was well rested, have more time to train and only play less than 9 tournaments in a year(surely, participating less means that you will have less chances to lose for player of LD's calibre, was it not?)? If you are talking about LD in the era of pre-2008, my gut feeling said that LD in 2011 will most likely beat the LD of that past era as he is so much more a complete player than he was before(more crafty as well).

    Regarding about some BCers claiming that LD losing his touch, I personally don't agree with that. I found that his touch around the net was exceptional during recent matches and I was quite surprised to find that LCW can't keep up with LD's netplay although the general consensus is LCW used to have better netplays years ago. LD definitely is one of the best around net if not the best(I don't think even Hidayat can beat him in this department). Which is why he rely less on his jumping smashes to score nowadays, because there's simply no need to.

    Another thing is most of the players(especially the lower rank players) including Nguyen Tien Min/Chen Jin do not like to take LD on the net these days. From recent matches, they always lift or drive LD off the net. This is exactly when LD did his jump smashes because he knew these players won't want to play him at net. Probably that gives you an impression that LD was much more faster and more explossive when playing against lower rank players. The only few players that I see who dare to take LD on net was LCW, SS (this two did reasonably well although I still think LD has the better touch from AE or KO 2011) and Marc(I don't think he did quite well, but he knew he has no choice but to take that one chance in AE semifinal. Surprisingly, LD helped him by making some errors on net during the second set).

    And I am not quite sure where the weak in the legs claim came from. I saw LD did plenty of jump smashes in AE finals, it's just that it wasn't as effective as before as LCW's defense was made of steel(or maybe thick lead) on that day. The struggle back to the court was partly due to LD's not being able to read :CW's shots as mentioned by my previous post and LCW kept the tempo very high in this game(even Ian and Gill mentioned that). So again I am not sure why there is a claim that those 2 was playing a slow tactical game came from. At least it didn't look like that to me.
    That was what the match statistics show in AE 2011,LD won most of the net encounters, LCW won most of his points from overhead shots.
    LD has to play tactically more than ever whilst LCW is still improving in skills and tactics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jonc108 View Post
    It's amazing that people are always keen to jump to quick conclusion that "LD's time is up" whenever LD been beaten by LCW.
    Sorry I could not find anywhere or anyone concluded "LD's time is up"

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    Aging? Kidding me, LD is younger than LCW!
    But LD is married, LCW has not. So LD aged faster

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    How long do you think LCW could keep his super physical form like now? LCW would definitely like to keep it up to next year's OG (his last chance).
    Although LCW himself said that he will retired after next year OG, I doubt it will be the case. Its his golden chance to start his own golden era. If TH ruled between 1999-2006 and LD 2007-????, 2012 - ???? should be LCW era.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jonc108 View Post
    LCW deserves his current run given his effort. Yet I don't think LD is finished unless he finally decided to finish himself.
    Time will tell

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    Don't forget that LD still holds a dominating H2H record over LCW, even for the most recent 10 meetings. We should wait until LCW beats LD 5 times in a row..
    Again, time will tell

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    I think many players have been watching LD and can read his moves to a certain extent, that's why most of his smashes were returned easily

    by LCW.LD's fitness is still OK but I think it is natural for many reflexes to be slightly slower and easier to read.

    Perhaps he could take a tip from Hendrawan who even at an advanced age could out-manouevre his opponents by deception in overheads and disguise.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jonc108 View Post
    It's amazing that people are always keen to jump to quick conclusion that "LD's time is up" whenever LD been beaten by LCW.

    No doubt that LCW was in his best form now, and with his age grown (look, this comes the benefits of aging ), mentally he looked like better at big occasions (in light of his AE final with LD). His greater desire for more success in majors and more proper training would of course contribute to his much better form than LD who was to certain extent having his training and therefore physical form distracted by so many personal stuff (wedding, commercial commitments, etc..) after winning every majors esp achieving the Super Grand Slam in AG...

    Aging? Kidding me, LD is younger than LCW!

    How long do you think LCW could keep his super physical form like now? LCW would definitely like to keep it up to next year's OG (his last chance).

    LCW deserves his current run given his effort. Yet I don't think LD is finished unless he finally decided to finish himself.

    Don't forget that LD still holds a dominating H2H record over LCW, even for the most recent 10 meetings. We should wait until LCW beats LD 5 times in a row..
    i believe LD was not at his best when he got beaten by LCW ... im not saying LCW is not good enough, he's really superb during that final... but for me, i would love to watch LCW beat LD when both of them hit their top form in a big final... that will be awesome... let's hope that we dont have to wait too long to see it.. who knows maybe during this year world champ?? hehehe

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    From the statistics LCW always seem to beat LD over 2 sets (except maybe in Korea) and probably in tournaments when LD

    was most jaded.I think LD simply has to be at his best to excel unlike the consistent LCW who can perform well tournament after tournament,

    nowadays he needs 3 sets to overwhelm his opponents.Like some say,LD does not win 2 tournaments in a row and it is telling!

    Previously he could blast his opponents off court but now he can only outlast them over 3 sets.

    That is not to belittle LCW or LD, it says something of their physical and mental condition.I think LD can still adapt his playing style

    his mind may still be set on emphasizing on his speed, fitness and power which may be waning.

    LCW however is still in good condition and has yet to resort to changing his playing style, his advantage in defence and speed

    of footwork to get behind the shuttle leaves him with many options especially in overheads.

    The CTC has got it right by insisting that LCW focuses on the biggies this year.

    Of course the sadists and meanies in BC will want LD to play every tournament so that he can be humiliated

    but that will deprive folks from seeing really good matches from Masters at their best, not when they are most vulnerable.

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    interesting comic link below after Lin Dan nearly lost to Wen Kai and said it's always not easy and too tight to play team-mates:

    http://sports.sohu.com/20110422/n280378814.shtml

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    anyone know what is the reason of decreasing of lin dan's bwf ranking points this week?

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    Quote Originally Posted by valdy View Post
    anyone know what is the reason of decreasing of lin dan's bwf ranking points this week?
    The 2010 BAC, which he won, doesn't count anymore... Or it counts less or something. Because he won 7000 points there, but he got less than 7000 deducted this week.
    Last edited by Gicutzu; 04-22-2011 at 12:13 PM.

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    Anyone knows whats the reason he got his yellow card during his match against sho sasaki of japan during the quarter final?

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    really? I thought it was only given in football... hmmm...

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    I think Lin Dan either not giving his best in All England against Lee Chong Wei or playing relax badminton . I watch Lin Dan almost every tournament . I don't understand how come nowadays his famous up the air smashes is missing in recent tournaments ?

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    maybe he got tired and bored with all of this stuff...

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    maybe he's lack of motivation to achieve success since he won all the major tournament already..

    Quote Originally Posted by Ferrerkiko View Post
    I think Lin Dan either not giving his best in All England against Lee Chong Wei or playing relax badminton . I watch Lin Dan almost every tournament . I don't understand how come nowadays his famous up the air smashes is missing in recent tournaments ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ferrerkiko View Post
    I think Lin Dan either not giving his best in All England against Lee Chong Wei or playing relax badminton . I watch Lin Dan almost every tournament . I don't understand how come nowadays his famous up the air smashes is missing in recent tournaments ?
    I think he got bored of his old style and wants to change to a new playstyle, a new challenge for him.

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    what is the new style of playing he try to apply? any idea? is it more rallies than smashes?

    Quote Originally Posted by undeadshot View Post
    I think he got bored of his old style and wants to change to a new playstyle, a new challenge for him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by undeadshot View Post
    I think he got bored of his old style and wants to change to a new playstyle, a new challenge for him.
    Feels like it to me too...what is there for him to win? He got everything already and I think he wanna save his energy since jump smashes are tiring..he definitely didn't play his best against LCW in AE11..its quite obvious actually..but he wasn't that slack either..

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    Maybe... perhaps.. he is thinking more about the 'e' rather than the 'a' in badminton. keke.

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