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    Quote Originally Posted by Miqilin7 View Post
    It doesn't matter, except for the 2006 edition, Lin Dan has won the other three WC every two years : 2007, 2009 and 2011. To say Lin Dan win more than one title just because the event was held annual is a bit unfair to Lin Dan's credibility as the true World Champion. He did face different opponents in all four finals and they were no pushovers plus Lin Dan never relied on footsoldiers to get the better of his opponents physically. Whether the event has been changed, it doesn't change the fact that Lin Dan won the titles fair and square and he is capable of winning one/two titles after the Olympic year to prove he is the best player with more titles in one category. Sounds silly but i feel Cai-Fu's victories doesn't really considered glorious compared to Lin Dan's achievements. Their only memorable achievement was the classic thriller match between them and Jung-Lee in 2009. The rest are not so spectacular. It's different in Lin Dan's case, he actually fought really hard to win them especially against Lee Chong Wei
    i agree LD is one of the best badminton player in history...and his achievement is unbelievable..
    LD won WC 4 times since WC held annually,
    imagine how many WC title Zhao Jian Hua could get if WC was held annually that time?? imagine how many WC title PJB could get if WC was held annually that time??

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    Quote Originally Posted by limsy View Post
    i disagree
    all england had been labelled as ordinary tournament nowadays by lin dan fans
    so nothing so fancy about it
    hehe
    You just stressed that the tournament is labelled by Lin Dan's fans bu not Lin Dan himself. All England is important and meaningful to Lin Dan and China's reputation otherwise why do you think he has been appearing in SEVEN FINALS and donated two titles to Chen Jin and Chen Hong. He didn't advance to those finals easily and he DID not rely on any footsoldiers when he faced Peter the Great at that time in 2004. Even Taufik at his best during the Olympic year was no match to in-form Peter in England...then you think what chance does this little Chinese upstart have against Peter since such a talented player like Taufik couldnt beat him after several attempts to win the title. From Lin Dan's perspective, it seems impossible and the odds are against him but he proved everyone wrong. He showed he has something to prove to the world after beating Gade in his first ever final and that's what makes that PARTICULAR FINAL so special to Lin Dan because he worked his ass off, threw himself at four corners all over the court to recover Gade deceptive shots.

    The other finals he won were worth remembering as well except for the fact that Chen Jin deliberately gave away the semifinal match in 2009 so Lin Dan could beat Lee Chong Wei without any problem. Yup that one was definitely a questionable achievement. Other than that, his wins were credible anyway only in All England !

    If you guys want to bring up the 2010 edition story to criticize Lin Dan's motivation, He did it out of friendship and his care for Bao Chunlai. Seeing Bao Chunlai's career without a major title sort disappoints Lin Dan, so he literally gave Bao Chunlai the easy path to face Tago who happened to play so much better than Bao Chunlai. Then what happened in the following year, he made it again to the final only to be beaten hands down by Lee Chong Wei..

    Hello boys and girls, to reach All England final seven times is not an easy accomplishment OKAY. it's the All England we are talking about and not Malaysian Open or Singapore Open. If Lin Dan is serious about it, he would have reach the Malaysian Open final as the regular opponent to Lee Chong Wei regardless whether he wins it or not. AGAIN UNFORTUNATELY IT'S THE OLYMPIC YEAR, you have one Chinese guy desperate for a ticket to qualify.

    Between pride and comrade, who is more important in Lin Dan's point of view? Being a soldier himself, he would do to the best of his abilities to help Chen Jin qualify while minimising the risk of himself getting into loads of trouble as well as putting his pride on the line. We will get to see the true Super Dan revealed in the Thomas Cup and Olympics finals.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wilcan View Post
    i agree LD is one of the best badminton player in history...and his achievement is unbelievable..
    LD won WC 4 times since WC held annually,
    imagine how many WC title Zhao Jian Hua could get if WC was held annually that time?? imagine how many WC title PJB could get if WC was held annually that time??
    Sorry He is not one of the best but he is definitely the BEST of all time and wished players like Rudy, Liem SK, Icuk, Yang Yang, Morten Frost are in his time so he could beat them convincingly of course with Tang Xianhu's help. Lin Dan is a nobody without Tang Xianhu

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    Quote Originally Posted by Miqilin7 View Post
    Sorry He is not one of the best but he is definitely the BEST of all time and wished players like Rudy, Liem SK, Icuk, Yang Yang, Morten Frost are in his time so he could beat them convincingly of course with Tang Xianhu's help. Lin Dan is a nobody without Tang Xianhu
    What a lot of people are forgetting is that during the older times there were not as many talented competitors of the same generation as of now.

    Right now there are a lot more talented players rising out constantly than there was at those times. Truth is, it is a lot harder to maintain one's physical status especially with the increasing speeds of current games and the increasing physical stress that each player puts upon himself to keep up.

    What people are forgetting also is that they would keep mentioning LCW's commitment and physical capability by reaching every final in each tournament he participated and winning most from August 2010 to August 2011 but they don't realise that all other professional players would work to peak at the more important World Championship. In other words of everyone is peaking at WC including LD and LCW, it would mean that at everyone's physical peak, LD is the undisputed champion of all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Miqilin7 View Post
    Sorry He is not one of the best but he is definitely the BEST of all time and wished players like Rudy, Liem SK, Icuk, Yang Yang, Morten Frost are in his time so he could beat them convincingly of course with Tang Xianhu's help. Lin Dan is a nobody without Tang Xianhu
    whatever you said...

    i also can say "wished players like Rudy, Liem SK, Icuk, Yang Yang, Morten Frost AND LINDAN" have a match with me, i can beat them convincingly


    hahahahahaha

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    Man...., a book can be written in this thread. lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Miqilin7 View Post
    You just stressed that the tournament is labelled by Lin Dan's fans bu not Lin Dan himself. All England is important and meaningful to Lin Dan and China's reputation otherwise why do you think he has been appearing in SEVEN FINALS and donated two titles to Chen Jin and Chen Hong. He didn't advance to those finals easily and he DID not rely on any footsoldiers when he faced Peter the Great at that time in 2004. Even Taufik at his best during the Olympic year was no match to in-form Peter in England...then you think what chance does this little Chinese upstart have against Peter since such a talented player like Taufik couldnt beat him after several attempts to win the title. From Lin Dan's perspective, it seems impossible and the odds are against him but he proved everyone wrong. He showed he has something to prove to the world after beating Gade in his first ever final and that's what makes that PARTICULAR FINAL so special to Lin Dan because he worked his ass off, threw himself at four corners all over the court to recover Gade deceptive shots.

    The other finals he won were worth remembering as well except for the fact that Chen Jin deliberately gave away the semifinal match in 2009 so Lin Dan could beat Lee Chong Wei without any problem. Yup that one was definitely a questionable achievement. Other than that, his wins were credible anyway only in All England !

    If you guys want to bring up the 2010 edition story to criticize Lin Dan's motivation, He did it out of friendship and his care for Bao Chunlai. Seeing Bao Chunlai's career without a major title sort disappoints Lin Dan, so he literally gave Bao Chunlai the easy path to face Tago who happened to play so much better than Bao Chunlai. Then what happened in the following year, he made it again to the final only to be beaten hands down by Lee Chong Wei..

    Hello boys and girls, to reach All England final seven times is not an easy accomplishment OKAY. it's the All England we are talking about and not Malaysian Open or Singapore Open. If Lin Dan is serious about it, he would have reach the Malaysian Open final as the regular opponent to Lee Chong Wei regardless whether he wins it or not. AGAIN UNFORTUNATELY IT'S THE OLYMPIC YEAR, you have one Chinese guy desperate for a ticket to qualify.

    Between pride and comrade, who is more important in Lin Dan's point of view? Being a soldier himself, he would do to the best of his abilities to help Chen Jin qualify while minimising the risk of himself getting into loads of trouble as well as putting his pride on the line. We will get to see the true Super Dan revealed in the Thomas Cup and Olympics finals.
    since when peter is invincible in england where he only won once?

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    Bear in mind though that at the very physical peaks of those names mentioned, the training equipment, regimen, facilities, conditions and nutritions are different. Coaching methods too are different. Who beats who or who is best is really down to our own individual biases, frankly. Looking at the records alone doesn't do complete and comprehensive justice to all those champions because we can never be able to factor in everything!

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    Only a genius can measure them. lol. Given that every resources given is equal.

    I bet then next CL fan coming to BC will say CL is the best.

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    Quote Originally Posted by King's View Post
    Bear in mind though that at the very physical peaks of those names mentioned, the training equipment, regimen, facilities, conditions and nutritions are different. Coaching methods too are different. Who beats who or who is best is really down to our own individual biases, frankly. Looking at the records alone doesn't do complete and comprehensive justice to all those champions because we can never be able to factor in everything!
    Yes, we can and it's called personal opinion

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    Quote Originally Posted by pBmMalaysia View Post
    Yes, we can and it's called personal opinion
    Personal opinion is not a true measure although we are entitled to one or two maybe three to the extent we can't make up our minds at corssroads. Cheers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by extremenanopowe View Post
    Only a genius can measure them. lol. Given that every resources given is equal.

    I bet then next CL fan coming to BC will say CL is the best.
    That is definitely true. I bet the very people who backs one of those greats will effectively shift their weight once the new sheriff (armed with accolades and insurmountable achievements to boot) is in town!

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    Quote Originally Posted by King's View Post
    Personal opinion is not a true measure although we are entitled to one or two maybe three to the extent we can't make up our minds at corssroads. Cheers.
    Of course, it is not a true measure That's why I put the "" at the end. Cheers too!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Miqilin7 View Post
    I dont understand ...why chinese players retire so early ? Lee Chong Wei IS a chinese-malaysian player...but he is playing as if he is on performance-enhanced drugs. Why cant Lin Dan do the same ? Chen Jin is battling some of his old injuries that prevented him from regaining his top form. Chen Long, needless to say he is there at the moment.

    Unless those words being part of his psychological warfare against LCW, i think Lin Dan has internal problems that even Media failed to reveal. Wonder if anyone with Chinese literacy can share the details of his current undertakings..
    there're various reasons...one is that the competition inside Chinese team is too severe for those who can not sustain and there're also many young talents surge.For the "old" athletes(no offense),they choose to leave because of the intensive competition as well as physical considerations;for the authorities, they hope those not in their peak time players leave,so more opportunities could be left for the young and potential ones.That's also a reason why ZhangNing is uneasy to win her first Olympics Champion at her 30, she face not only challenges from foreign players,herself,pressures , physical conditions and young teammates,etc
    As for LCW, I believe he has to perform well every match because the situations in Mala are different from those in China.He is the representativeand hope of May,Malaysian badminton Federation expect him to do his best in international matches so that they can get enough financial support from enterprises

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    Default Lin Dan the greatest, says Peter Gade

    March 06, 2012 22:40
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    Peter Gade, the former world No.1 from Denmark, will complete a record which is never likely to be broken when he plays his last All England Open starting at Britain's national indoor arena today.

    After competing at the highest level for 17 years and winning the All England more than a decade ago, the fourth-seeded Gade remains a leading contender, a remarkable achievement given the increasing speed of the modern game.

    When the 35-year-old retires soon after the Olympic Games at London in August, he will have been by far the longest lasting top level men's singles player the professional game has ever seen.

    The slim, light-footed mover from Copenhagen would love to end on a high, but he is in the same quarter as Lee Chong Wei, the top-seeded defending champion from Malaysia.

    "The first part of my job is done," Gade said, having qualified nice and early for the Olympic Games. "So I have had three weeks where I've been able just to work toward the All England"

    However, his draw is tough right through. His first round is against England's Rajiv Ouseph.

    Gade could then face Boonsak Ponsana, the former world No.4 from Thailand, with a possible quarterfinal against the eighth-seeded Lee Hyun-il from Korea.

    Gade's may not the only significant goodbye. At least two other legends of badminton, Taufik Hidayat, the former Olympic and world champion from Indonesia, and Lee Chong Wei, are suggesting they may stop after London 2012.

    Possibly a fourth, Lin Dan, the Olympic and world champion, will also call it a day.

    It is Lin who is the greatest of them all, according to Gade. Among those the Dane has beaten are Hidayat and Heryanto Arbi of Indonesia, Poul-Erik Hoyer-Larsen, his fellow Dane, and Sun Jun, Dong Jiong, Chen Hong, and Lin himself.

    "But there is no doubt that Lin Dan is the best of them," Gade says of the brilliantly versatile left-hander who is seeded second behind Lee this week. "I don't think that anyone is close to him, to be honest.

    "I think he made a point at the world championships," Gade said of Lin's close win over Lee in one of the all-time great matches in the final at Wembley in August.

    "It was incredible. It was not the best Lin Dan has played, but his mental attitude was the best. And he is the best player ever."

    Global Times

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    Quote Originally Posted by King's View Post
    March 06, 2012 22:40
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    Peter Gade, the former world No.1 from Denmark, will complete a record which is never likely to be broken when he plays his last All England Open starting at Britain's national indoor arena today.

    After competing at the highest level for 17 years and winning the All England more than a decade ago, the fourth-seeded Gade remains a leading contender, a remarkable achievement given the increasing speed of the modern game.

    When the 35-year-old retires soon after the Olympic Games at London in August, he will have been by far the longest lasting top level men's singles player the professional game has ever seen.

    The slim, light-footed mover from Copenhagen would love to end on a high, but he is in the same quarter as Lee Chong Wei, the top-seeded defending champion from Malaysia.

    "The first part of my job is done," Gade said, having qualified nice and early for the Olympic Games. "So I have had three weeks where I've been able just to work toward the All England"

    However, his draw is tough right through. His first round is against England's Rajiv Ouseph.

    Gade could then face Boonsak Ponsana, the former world No.4 from Thailand, with a possible quarterfinal against the eighth-seeded Lee Hyun-il from Korea.

    Gade's may not the only significant goodbye. At least two other legends of badminton, Taufik Hidayat, the former Olympic and world champion from Indonesia, and Lee Chong Wei, are suggesting they may stop after London 2012.

    Possibly a fourth, Lin Dan, the Olympic and world champion, will also call it a day.

    It is Lin who is the greatest of them all, according to Gade. Among those the Dane has beaten are Hidayat and Heryanto Arbi of Indonesia, Poul-Erik Hoyer-Larsen, his fellow Dane, and Sun Jun, Dong Jiong, Chen Hong, and Lin himself.

    "But there is no doubt that Lin Dan is the best of them," Gade says of the brilliantly versatile left-hander who is seeded second behind Lee this week. "I don't think that anyone is close to him, to be honest.

    "I think he made a point at the world championships," Gade said of Lin's close win over Lee in one of the all-time great matches in the final at Wembley in August.

    "It was incredible. It was not the best Lin Dan has played, but his mental attitude was the best. And he is the best player ever."

    Global Times

    Yes, LD almost get it.. But his retired/walkover happening in a tournament cause LD don't deserve it, IMHO

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    Badminton: Lin Dan the greatest, says record-breaking Gade
    Posted: 06 March 2012 1431 hrs

    Lin Dan of China (AFP PHOTO/Peter PARKS)


    BIRMINGHAM, England: Peter Gade, the former world number one from Denmark, will complete a record which is never likely to be broken when he plays his last All-England Open starting at Britain's national indoor arena on Wednesday.

    After competing at the highest level for 17 years and winning the All-England more than a decade ago, the fourth-seeded Gade remains a leading contender - a remarkable achievement given the increasing speed of the modern game.

    When the 35-year-old retires soon after the Olympic Games at London in August, he will have been by far the longest lasting top level men's singles player the professional game has ever seen.

    Gade's may not the only significant goodbye. At least two other legends of badminton - Taufik Hidayat, the former Olympic and world champion from Indonesia, and Lee Chong Wei himself - are suggesting they may stop after London 2012.

    Possibly a fourth, Lin Dan, the Olympic and World champion, will also call it a day, something which might make it significantly harder to attract sponsors and large crowds.

    It is Lin who is the greatest of them all, according to Gade. Among those the Dane has beaten are Hidayat and Heryanto Arbi of Indonesia, Poul-Erik Hoyer-Larsen, his fellow Dane, and Sun Jun, Dong Jiong, Chen Hong, and Lin himself.

    "But there is no doubt that Lin Dan is the best of them," Gade says of the brilliantly versatile left-hander who is seeded second behind Lee this week. "I don't think that anyone is close to him, to be honest.

    "I think he made a point at the world championships," Gade added referring to Lin's close win over Lee in one of the all-time great matches in the final at Wembley in August.

    "It was incredible. It was not the best Lin Dan has played, but his mental attitude was the best. And he is the best player ever."

    The slim, light-footed mover from Copenhagen would love to end on a high, but he is in the same quarter as Lee Chong Wei, the top-seeded defending All-England champion from Malaysia.

    "The first part of my job is done," Gade said, having qualified nice and early for the Olympics. "So I have had three weeks where I've been able just to work towards the All-England.

    "I have had time to get a feeling of what is good and bad (in my game). Hopefully it will bring a good All-England. I take that as of high importance."

    However, his draw is tough right through. His first round is against Rajiv Ouseph, the former top 20 player from England, who took him to three games at the Copenhagen Masters in December and who will this time have plenty crowd support.

    Gade could then face Boonsak Ponsana, the former world number four from Thailand, with a possible quarter-final against the eighth-seeded Lee Hyun-Il, a former world number one from Korea.

    To survive all this, he may need all his enduring resilience.

    Asked how he had managed to maintain that for so long, Gade said: "It has been a matter of life style.

    "It's a matter of trying to get the best out of every area, not only on court but off court - how to eat, sleep, and take care of yourself."

    - AFP/fa
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