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06-24-2012, 07:18 AM #3078
06-24-2012, 07:22 AM #3079
Oops double posting. sorry
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06-24-2012, 07:25 AM #3080
Oopps double posting. sorry.
06-24-2012, 07:57 AM #3081
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06-24-2012, 08:56 AM #3082
pjswift brought up the issue of stamina. In that a less physically demanding semifinal would give Lin Dan greater stamina for the final. However, the final in Beijing was played 2 days after the semifinals were played, instead of 1 day after as typical of other tournaments such as the Super Series. I think any advantage in stamina would have been eroded almost completely given both players would have an extra day's rest, while they would have been used to playing the final the next day. If it weren't the case, I don't think you can explain Lee Chong Wei's ability to win tournaments consistently, playing 5 days in a row. Moreover, I think most would agree that LCW was so outmatched in the final that it is unlikely to be a stamina issue. He was simply overwhelmed by LD playing better than he had ever played before.
And this is why I asked whether your argument stopped at whether LD had an advantage, or if you also argued that this advantage affected his following matches. Because while I agree that LD would have been the fresher player had they had to play immediately after their respective semifinals ended, this advantage fades over time.
06-24-2012, 09:27 AM #3083
If you look on it from an individual fairness and sport-spirit angle, it then really makes no sense why one of the best players in the world should be denied entry in OG based on weather he is ranked 4 or 5..
I think most players would agree that from an individual standpoint it would be unfair that CJ would not be allowed to play OG, but players like Rasheed Mohamed Ajfan from the Maldives should be!!
So an alternative view is simply that anything LD does to help CJ qualify is really just fighting against some unfair qualification rules, and is indeed a moral thing to do.
But OG is different than SS etc. as it really IS a competiton for medals between countries and federations mre than between individuals, and this is the main reason that qualification and draw-procedures are different (contry/federation perspective comes into play) and the rationale that only a limited amount of players from each federation is allowed, regardless of how good they are used.
With this in mind OG is really about getting medals for China (it should be different than normal SS, I feel china is treating SS similarily as "team"-type events, which I don't like, but that is another discussion).
So following this line of argument that OG really is a "country" vs. "country" event, I think most chineese people watching OG would be gutted if one of their players with very slim chances of winning the Gold, would take actions that could be considered "helping" aother country to get the gold in Badminton.
IF CJ and LD met in the Semis, I am pretty sure NO ONE needs to tell CJ that for China to grab the gold, LD will have a better chance in the final than CJ, so what do you really think CJ should do for his country at that point?? Rememer CJ has something like 2-9 against LCW and LD has something like 20-9..
Do you think the "nationality" aspect etc. are bad in OG and that nationality should be "irellevant" to the games, just individual athletes with no focus on what country they are from?
Do you think players and coaches should not care about their countrys medal chances in OG?
06-24-2012, 09:29 AM #3084
For your information, the stamina issue (how fresh a player is), be it playing 5 or 10 days in a row, has been touched on and discussed before you jump in from nowhere and ask the same questions all over again! Someone brought up something similar with relation to your last paragraph and I did state my part of argument too.
Similarly, I also did stated many times that what I had to say about LD in regards to my opinion has all been written in my previous postings begin from page 178. Do you needed to be spoon-fed at exactly which post# those were discussed at?
Now was it you who did not read in the first place or instead I did not present my point of argument? Whether you agree with me or my points wasn't good enough for is another matter altogether. Get your facts right!
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06-24-2012, 09:34 AM #3085
It is the minds behind the system that created so much hatred.
That is why the world is still being ruled by some evil regimes.
Some people just keep a blind eye and cherish or encourage them. Sad case.
Most are still young at age to realise it. Don't waste your time to argue with them.
06-24-2012, 09:39 AM #3086
06-24-2012, 09:44 AM #3087
06-24-2012, 09:56 AM #3088
And no, even if he had won that 2008 AE, i believe he would still have to win another tourney in order to maintain the no. 4 spot. I believe he lost in the 1st Rd. of the subsequent tourneys and didn't "officially" secure his no. 4 ranking until he won the Badminton Asia Championships title (if i recall the last tourney available to secure OG qualification pts).
In all, sure, eventhough LD , CL & CJ may seem to benefit from each other with LD getting most of the benefit, CL & CJ also have to create & capitalize their own opportunities. Ain't no way CL & CJ can be where they are if they themselves don't and can't create their own success. In essence, it's partly the system and the players themselves.
Last edited by ctjcad; 06-24-2012 at 09:59 AM.
06-24-2012, 10:07 AM #3089
not sure about the point here
are u guys talking about the greatest miracle in badminton when the conceded most walkover player in universe become world number one?
dont jealous about lin dan achievement,only he can do this stunt
06-24-2012, 10:15 AM #3090
06-24-2012, 10:16 AM #3091
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06-24-2012, 10:39 AM #3094
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