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Thread: Lin Dan ( 林丹 )
06-25-2012, 05:22 AM #3112
1. Asian Games 2010. i've tried to search full MS individual tournament's history, but only managed to find the history from QFs. since QF, LD never met his CHN teammates, but still he can managed to win the gold against his best rival in the final. where is the assistance then?
2. WC 2011. LD again never met with his CHN teammates during the tournament. and again, he still managed to win the gold too against a very good form LCW. so, who assisted him back then?
about better preparation that LD have as you said in OG 2008, in the WC 2011 SF, LCW won over CJ in 2 games, 21-13 21-9 in 43 minutes match on the morning session (starting 11 AM, 3rd match) while LD must struggle agains PG in 3 games 22-24 21-7 21-15 for 1 hour 15 minutes match on the afternoon session (starting 05.30 PM, 4th match). and then, the final matches held tomorrow. let's bring the situation to your 4 points above:
1. mentally relaxed: pretty the same i think, LCW knew CJ pretty much won't give him big hard time, as for LD i think with PG(which unfortunately didn't happen )?
2. mentally better prepared: again, pretty the same i think.
3. physically better prepared: i think LCW should have edge here. shorter duration match which played earlier compared to LD. and there is no 1-day-off like the OG.
4. physically well preserved: as your theory, LCW have the edge here of course, for just playing 2 games compared to LD with 3 games.
so, what's the final results? LCW has a bit advantage too in WC 2011 based on your theory, but still he failed to maximize it. LD could have advantage too in OG 2008, but he won't grab the gold if he too failed to catch the opportunity. so, the players' succeed should still depend on the players themselves, how to catch the opportunity in front of them, and not rely only to the assistance like you said.
06-25-2012, 05:26 AM #3113
06-25-2012, 05:32 AM #3114
06-25-2012, 05:36 AM #3115
06-25-2012, 05:39 AM #3116
sorry, try to look in BWF site and found this:
in those two links, it's mentioned like this:
The Thomas Cup or Men’s World Team Championships was first staged in 1948-49, and the Uber Cup or Women’s World Team Championships...
Also: The Sudirman Cup is the World Team Badminton Championships
because it's from BWF, i think it's trustable/valid, isn't it?
Last edited by bad's fan; 06-25-2012 at 05:48 AM.
06-25-2012, 05:44 AM #3117
06-25-2012, 06:03 AM #3118
06-25-2012, 07:01 AM #3119
06-25-2012, 07:17 AM #3120
Hypotetically LCW could possibly even have lost to CJ in the semi if they had met. But most likely he would have won (he usually owns CJ) but having to work even harder than when beating LHI and be lacking even more in confidence against LD in the final.
I am also sure nobody would have cried foul if LCW had beaten CJ 21-12, 21-18, and accused CJ of "helping" LCW by loosing in straight games :-)
This is of course all hypotetical.
Last edited by twobeer; 06-25-2012 at 07:21 AM.
06-25-2012, 07:19 AM #3121
1. Only if you are talking about things in relative terms, then yes, LD had a better "pre-game entrance".
2. It still does not make a difference in that LCW had a relatively worse "pre-game entrance", due to the personal factors I have mentioned about LCW. (These were all stated by LCW himself in one of the Astro Interviews earlier this year).
Even if LD had to play CJ "to-the-death" in the SF round, my second point will still hold true.
06-25-2012, 08:02 AM #3122
If I doesn't believe that CBA has fixed many games results in the past and it is actually part of their "policy", this argument wouldn't be brought up in the first place.
06-25-2012, 09:28 AM #3123there is a huge difference to the nature of the game when it comes to LD vs CJ against LCW vs CJ.
06-25-2012, 09:49 AM #3124
a fake is a fake. A cheat (CBA) is a cheat. Talk until cow come home still no one will win.
06-25-2012, 09:55 AM #3125
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06-25-2012, 11:08 AM #3126
I don't think anyone would dispute LD is a great player, perhaps the most decorated player the game has produced. But there will always be an asterisk to LD, i.e. match fixing, maybe not his doing but he is a participant, willingly or unwillingly.
Li Ling wei once said CHN does not need to match fix and still would win, that is so true...to set the record straight, I think Yours Truly said this first, LLW said later (hint: maybe LLW is reading my posts, concur with me and repeat it)...I know it is hard to be humble, I know
LYB was quoted saying CHN players plays 1-set, why play all out, tire the winner who would go on to play a non-CHN player, so if match fixing is not important, why do it, dude? Of course, when the event is important like OLY, why even play all-out in the first set at all, and if WO is not nice to do in OLY then just play a training match and moves on. Now, over to the other half when LD's opponent (e.g. LCW) has to prepare to win his SF and all the time knowing LD is already through to the final, waiting like a lion for a mentally and maybe physically tired out opponent to show up.
Match fixing conserves not only physical strength, stamina and all those intangibles, but more so is mental when at the highest level, matters tons. A lot has been said CJ or CL is no match for LD, that on paper I agree but these chaps play each other all the time, they know each other so well, so in an all out war, hard to say who would beat who especially if one catches fire, and even if CL/CJ lose to LD, they sure would make LD pay big time sapping his energy, also, LD has to prepare to win, as contrary to knowing before the game starts that CL/CJ would (or told) to lose. That is a big advantage.
We are looking at LD all-time out of the world peak form performance at OLY08 final, so would say that regardless of match fixing or whatever LCW can do or what-nots, nobody will beat LD on that night, that I also agree but still, the question remains what if CJ played all out against LD in SF, would LD be able to play back-to-back peak performance in final. That is the $64k question?
Funny also, that past posters in this forum that argue that there wasn't any match fixing, hard to prove, blah-blah, and when LYB admitted on CHN TV, that silence the nay sayers and now, they turn to saying, match fixing has no or little effect...tongue does change or twist the words.
06-25-2012, 11:26 AM #3127
I think it is more likely that the CHN OG players are still in heavy training for peak to OG and Chineese coaches didn't play their optimal "tactic" during IO to not show their hand in terms of what tactics they will use in the single games against Saina if she face Chineese girls in OG. It would not make sense for them to show their card in IO if they have a strategi of tactics against Sainas weak-spots..
I think another indication of that is Chen Longs early exit against Parupalli, LHI loss against Vittinghus, Sasakis loss against Rumbaka, Tagos Lost against Yun Hu.. I woudl say alot of these losses could most likely be attributed to OG preparations...
06-25-2012, 11:57 AM #3128
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