Thread: Lin Dan ( 林丹 )
09-15-2013, 05:08 AM #4030
09-15-2013, 05:38 AM #4031
Sure. That's certainly the way it is. Do you ever post sth that's not 100% unproven? If LD wanted to play, he'd play. Simple. If the Chinese didn't want him to play, they never would've applied for his wild card. Your theory isn't even thought through well...
09-15-2013, 05:45 AM #4032
Why do you believe him at all?? I mean LD is probably the most influential athlete in the whole of China. Would he really just keep quiet if he had a real disagreement with LYB? Personally I don't think so. I tend to agree with the theory that after winning everything, his desire to compete might have dropped a little, and that is a dangerous thing when your training requires you to be 100% motivated to push yourself to the limit every day...
09-15-2013, 06:12 AM #4033
And guess what, his coach banned him from taking part in commercial activities.
09-15-2013, 07:23 AM #4034
So....? He can hardly compare to LD's status, and there were no reports whatsoever indicating LD slacked off during training. He took his time off, but once he got back to training, he dedicated himself to it like he used to. That another athlete had a disagreement with his coach proves nothing, that is got publicized even emphasizes my point: that a serious disagreement between LD and LYB, and booting LD out of the Ntl team, would not stay secret.
If you follow more of 2cents' posts you'll see there's quite a few that may seem like some sort of inside scoop but are actually just hypotheses based on nothing but outside observation, often being far from the truth.
I, for one, don't buy that LD got kicked out of the team. If he really wanted to play, he'd play. If all else fails, for another Nation such as HKG (always looking to 'import' successful athletes ).
I tend to believe he is questioning whether he should continue to play or not. While he has taken the World title yet again, there's no doubt he is unable to play the same style he used to, not being able to reproduce the sort of speed and explosiveness that brought him his first OG title. And maybe he wants to go out with a success, other than PG and TH whose standards had dropped considerably from their best before they retired (that is no critique to Peter, he was clearly giving everything until the very end, but age doesn't stop for anyone, not even him ).
09-15-2013, 07:39 AM #4035
09-15-2013, 07:58 AM #4036
I too hope what 2cents sort of exposed is pure speculation. Let's wait and see. Maybe it's not that serious even if true and would blow over soon.
09-15-2013, 08:09 AM #4037
Maybe LD wants to go independent like Taufik and Li Na.
Last edited by pcll99; 09-15-2013 at 08:19 AM.
09-16-2013, 12:24 PM #4038
Latest update: Lin Dan formally declares he will play until Rio Olympics and is in the process of developing training programs http://sports.qq.com/a/20130916/016819.htm
The article concluded by saying Lin Dan is aiming for triple Olympic golds !
09-16-2013, 01:32 PM #4039
I hope the author/reporter did not misrepresent his intention of aiming for triple gold because the last sentence in the article isn't a quotation of Lin Dan's exact words. As we've known previously when Lin Dan said he would play until Rio, it didn't necessarily include the Olympics. Anyway, I'd just take the article as is for the time being.
09-16-2013, 01:40 PM #4040
Given Chen Long's performance of late, I would not be surprised if LD plays till Rio.
09-16-2013, 06:07 PM #4041
I think there are multiple reasons.
1. He would like to enjoy his life besides badminton, especially spending with family.
2. He would like to continue playing badminton but he is only interested in playing big tournaments, namely Thomas cups and Asian games next year, Rio olympics 2016. I am not sure about world championship next year as he needs enough points to qualify. I would be surprised if he is given another wild card next year.
3. He is getting older and he have to look after himself by avoiding injury so that I can be at the best condition when it is matter.
4. He is not allowed to play superseries which is a shame of the system which means he can't accumulate points fast and hence have to play a lot of smaller tournaments. If he would like to enjoy his life outside badminton this period of time is the time to do it. I have a feeling that he may give up world championship next year and start working hard to accumulate points in 2015.
5. If there is a conflict between LYB and LD, it would be about coaching the younger player. LYB want him to coach but LD shows no interest to ba coach at least at this point.
09-16-2013, 07:28 PM #4042
Thanks jkkwongnz for your comments.
Let me straight out the factors which affect LD's decision to continue playing:
2. Glory of achievement
3. Enjoy easy life instead of hardship
For Li YB, he only needs to consider
2. Glory of achievement
Clearly, Lin Dan is still, by far, the best badminton player now. All true badminton fans like to watch him playing, but not the players. In fact, no player wants to play LD in any tournaments. Lee CW even protested and complained in public before WC. In fact, not only LCW, other CHN players, like Chen Long, Du PY, Wang ZM, especially Gao Huan and Chen Yuekun, not only they have less chance to win a tournament, but also they have to be kicked out the national team for a space for LD.
Usually, LYB should be happy because LD could bring more glory to him too. But since LD is too famous to control, and also they have already broke up on money issues. There are unsolved sponsorship if taking in LD into the national team. For commercial ads, Lin Dan might be more valuable than the rest of the entire national team.
That's the reason LYB had not wasted any chance to belittle LD before the WC. Not only rejected LD to play the Sudirman/Thomas cup, but also kicked LD out of the national team directly, and also claimed that LD's not competitive for professional badminton anymore, and would retire soon, or already retired.
Under these circumstances, LD changed his strategy to focus on the Chinese league. Since he's commercial ads mostly in China, so he gave up the international market which he rarely had any income. Fortunately, he's got a wild card unexpected, thus he's got more glory and money.
Now, by claiming playing Rio 2016, I think LD using this to threaten LYB. It is the least thing LYB likes to hear that LD wants to share more market share for badminton commercials. LD uses this to force LYB to negotiate with him to get more money and shares of sponsorship.
LYB had offered coach position to LD, obviously this was not what LD interested in currently. No fan's satisfied with that either, simply because LD is still the greatest player. By offering a job to LD, LYB loses nothing, but gains the total badminton sponsorship.
Most CHN players could accept the job offer for early retirement, such as Ji Xingpeng, Chen Jin, but not LD. He knew, as the greatest player, he should not be the one chasing after the job, instead, there's many better jobs chasing after him.
09-16-2013, 07:45 PM #4043
This is the photo taken when Lin Dan claimed he would play until Rio 2016. Usually, a person, made such claim, should be happy, confident and optimistic. But LD looked different. He looked cautious, bleak and grim, with some kind of trepidation, because he knew his claim would irritate LYB, that's the reason LD looked like a person in the middle of bargain. His claim was a kind of offense which invaded the interest of LYB, so he has to be cautious.
09-16-2013, 10:23 PM #4044
LD didn't play for 8 months after London Olympics because he couldn't train in Beijing and travel constantly around China at the same time. He also got married during that period.
LD also said he hopes to become a father next year. I think for now, LYB and LD are negotiating the small details. One of the major issue is wild card. Can he get more wild cards for the next three years?
LYB wants LD for several things from now till 2016:
(1) to win at major events
(2) to coach, train and/or spar with young players
(3) to earn money for the whole CBA by participating in sponsorship events around China
LD wants the following in the next 3 years:
(1) become a father
(2) qualify and win at major events
(3) earn money
LD is also thinking about what he can and should do after Rio 2016. Should he start a business like Li Ning? Enter the entertainment business like Bao CL? Start a club like Taufik?
Just wondering, do major events such as Asian Games, Thomas Cup and Sudirman Cup require world ranking points for qualification purpose?
Last edited by pcll99; 09-16-2013 at 10:31 PM.
09-16-2013, 10:32 PM #4045
What makes you guys think that the CBA has any kind of money shortage?
China is trying to dominate the world in sports, theirs sports associations will never have a shortage of cash flow especially such a dominant one such as badminton.
If anything, the arguments are about the split between the player and the association when a title is won.
And if Li-Ning as a sponsor fails financially, Yonex, Victor and Adidas would quickly fill the void.
09-16-2013, 11:16 PM #4046
There's no problem for CBA to pay regular salary to each players. Actually, you may not know. All players, including the national team members, their salaries are paid by their provincial governments. LD's salary is paid by PLA, the national army, since he plays for the army.
It's not about how to split the prize money either, that money is almost nothing.
It's not about only Li-Ning sponsorship. Lin Dan alone, has more than 10 deals with world famous brands.
How much LD earns each year, please check the forbes
LD earned ￥ 22,000,000 (about $3.7million US Dollars) last year, even skipped most of the tournaments. Which tournament has a prize for one single player that much?
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