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03-27-2011, 08:03 PM #2024
If your returns are faster than your opponent's,
then you are in business
03-27-2011, 10:04 PM #2025
LD has lost some touch, thats no doubt. Not only on this 2011 AE but from last few months. Even when he won KO, he struggled all the way to final. Notably almost lost the SF againts Simon, and in the final LCW also could have finished him off if not for a few unlucky moments.
03-27-2011, 10:22 PM #2026
In KO2011, it was clear to me that LD was a bit fresh n energetic...
03-27-2011, 10:41 PM #2027
Agree with Yoppy re. KO2011. LCW lost the match as much as LD won it. LCW still had to get over his mental block and fear of not knowing what LD would do next, and was edgy throughout the match. You could often see it in his eyes. Hopefully he's over that now.
Simon as well did not display the killer instinct when he had the game in his hands; he has no one to blame but himself. Sloppy.
Oops, this is a Lin Dan thread! And yet, the man is good enough to be among the top 2 players in the world, today!
03-28-2011, 03:09 AM #2028
Wow, people making bold predictions about LD losing his touch, etc. again (there were people who said he was aging, etc. last year too)... We shall see in the next meeting, whether he has really lost his touch or not?
03-28-2011, 03:19 AM #2029
When was the last time Lin Dan lost to the same player twice consecutively and in straight games?
03-28-2011, 04:23 AM #2030
03-28-2011, 04:34 AM #2031
03-28-2011, 07:31 AM #2032
Well said, but just look at the AE 2010 and how he kept coming back from behind to narrow the score.
Its true that he can be beaten but never easily.In the last year or so, he sometimes looked as though he was going to break a bone or too
and he is only hanging on because of his determination and experience, just like Gade or Taufik.
03-28-2011, 08:11 AM #2033
Is his knees wobbling yet??? Married life is good for him.
03-28-2011, 08:25 AM #2034
03-28-2011, 09:52 AM #2035
LD is much more vulnerable than before? Can you highlight to me on which era of Lin Dan are you comparing to? 2009, when LD looked almost invincible just because he was well rested, have more time to train and only play less than 9 tournaments in a year(surely, participating less means that you will have less chances to lose for player of LD's calibre, was it not?)? If you are talking about LD in the era of pre-2008, my gut feeling said that LD in 2011 will most likely beat the LD of that past era as he is so much more a complete player than he was before(more crafty as well).
Regarding about some BCers claiming that LD losing his touch, I personally don't agree with that. I found that his touch around the net was exceptional during recent matches and I was quite surprised to find that LCW can't keep up with LD's netplay although the general consensus is LCW used to have better netplays years ago. LD definitely is one of the best around net if not the best(I don't think even Hidayat can beat him in this department). Which is why he rely less on his jumping smashes to score nowadays, because there's simply no need to.
Another thing is most of the players(especially the lower rank players) including Nguyen Tien Min/Chen Jin do not like to take LD on the net these days. From recent matches, they always lift or drive LD off the net. This is exactly when LD did his jump smashes because he knew these players won't want to play him at net. Probably that gives you an impression that LD was much more faster and more explossive when playing against lower rank players. The only few players that I see who dare to take LD on net was LCW, SS (this two did reasonably well although I still think LD has the better touch from AE or KO 2011) and Marc(I don't think he did quite well, but he knew he has no choice but to take that one chance in AE semifinal. Surprisingly, LD helped him by making some errors on net during the second set).
And I am not quite sure where the weak in the legs claim came from. I saw LD did plenty of jump smashes in AE finals, it's just that it wasn't as effective as before as LCW's defense was made of steel(or maybe thick lead) on that day. The struggle back to the court was partly due to LD's not being able to read :CW's shots as mentioned by my previous post and LCW kept the tempo very high in this game(even Ian and Gill mentioned that). So again I am not sure why there is a claim that those 2 was playing a slow tactical game came from. At least it didn't look like that to me.
03-28-2011, 10:56 AM #2036
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03-28-2011, 12:09 PM #2037
If LD is losing his touch then all I can say is that he has past his prime..LD the legend and the best player on this planet is still human after all..he cant last forever, he aint bionic.. Let us see LCW now..lets see if he can keep up till OG12..who knows his body might break down too before OG12..
03-28-2011, 12:41 PM #2038
It all depend on what benchmark one uses on LD. If you compare LD of OG2008 and LD of today then I would say the former was more lethal, focus and hungry for success.
No doubt LD is still the top man today in the circuit with more finesse added to his game, he loses some of his power, speed and stamina too along the way. This is simply because of aging and his body could not tolerate to operate in such a high level all the time.
Of course it needed another player of his caliber to bring the match to such intensity as to exposed his weaknesses and that being LCW. On an off form LD who could still struggle to pull it off against other players, it was because those players (with due respect) have yet to reach the level where LD is.
All in all, the hectic schedule at the beginning of 2011, age, body condition and the rise/improvement in LCW are some of the related factors contributed to the current LD.
But, like what everyone else's are saying, the next few months will give us a better indication on whether LD will come back stronger to conquer again or like all badminton greats before him that peaked for 2-3 years, that his time is up.
03-28-2011, 12:48 PM #2039
03-28-2011, 08:43 PM #2040
It's amazing that people are always keen to jump to quick conclusion that "LD's time is up" whenever LD been beaten by LCW.
No doubt that LCW was in his best form now, and with his age grown (look, this comes the benefits of aging ), mentally he looked like better at big occasions (in light of his AE final with LD). His greater desire for more success in majors and more proper training would of course contribute to his much better form than LD who was to certain extent having his training and therefore physical form distracted by so many personal stuff (wedding, commercial commitments, etc..) after winning every majors esp achieving the Super Grand Slam in AG...
Aging? Kidding me, LD is younger than LCW!
How long do you think LCW could keep his super physical form like now? LCW would definitely like to keep it up to next year's OG (his last chance).
LCW deserves his current run given his effort. Yet I don't think LD is finished unless he finally decided to finish himself.
Don't forget that LD still holds a dominating H2H record over LCW, even for the most recent 10 meetings. We should wait until LCW beats LD 5 times in a row..
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