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05-23-2002, 07:26 PM #35
i guess it is legal because the net is attached to it... i dunno... whatever... never happened to me anyway...
05-23-2002, 09:21 PM #36
hitting the posts
from the original interpretation of the laws of badminton, if the shuttle hits the post which the net is connected, and continues over the net, it is still considered in play. the consideration however was for posts that are regulation height, and properly installed at the side of the court and the law did not originally anticipate multi-purpose posts that provide volley ball heights as well. unfortunately i have seen this interpretation of the rule to imply that hitting anywhere on this post, then the shuttle continuing onto the other side of the court to be considered in play, even though the post may be 1 or 2 feet from the side of the court (ie in some gyms the net is hanging over the court, with court posts standing maybe 1 to 2 feet from the side edge).
if this is a tournament or competition using this style of post, this rule must be clearly mentioned as to what is considered a fault or permitted.
05-23-2002, 09:31 PM #37
there is a rule that says:
It is a 'fault':
13.2 if in play the shuttle:
13.2.6 touches any other object or person outside the immediate surroundings of the court;
i believe the support is considered outside the immediate surrounding of the court.
other objects that would be outside the immediate surrounding would be:
- the service judge
- the box of used/unused shuttles
- the umpire's high chair
05-24-2002, 01:45 AM #38
BUT in the very beginning of the rules posts are included in the list of the court equipment (even though their height is restricted - but no instructions what 2 do if they are higher), so they are supposed to be part of the net (and not the part of "immediate surrounding") and therefore this shuttles should be ok - the player who made such a crazy shot should score. And BTW he/she deserves it, don't you think so?!
05-24-2002, 02:57 AM #39
I think Mikie is right. The poles are by definition part of the net.
05-24-2002, 03:04 AM #40
Yep, they are. Actually, at the very beginning the baseline was wider than the net and the court was shaped like an hourglass.
05-24-2002, 01:29 PM #41
oké then:-), then now i go pratice to hit the "tower"
05-24-2002, 01:37 PM #42
"The Law" says:
1.4 The posts shall be 1.55 metres in height from the surface of the court and shall remain vertical when the net is strained as provided in Law 1.10.
1.5 The posts shall be placed on the doubles side lines as in Diagram A, irrespective of whether singles or doubles is being played.
i re-read Kevin's original post that prompted this discussion. he never mentioned whether the post is oversized or standard. i agree with badrad, if there are non-standard poles, the rules should be ammended by the local gym or tournament officials...
05-24-2002, 07:53 PM #43
it happened one night...
this was argued and had to have two officials to resolve during a tournament. the tournament was a small gym using multi-purpose standards the ones that have two sides and capable to support two volleyball nets. the standard is mounted almost 2 feet from the side of the court, a typical rec center scenario.
during play the shuttle was hit out of bounds, passed through the standard hitting a piece of the metal bar then falling back onto the opponent side in-bound. needless to say the argument that ensued - this was not clearly mentioned at the beginning of the tournament to outline the boundaries, so it was argued that the shuttle was legitimate, as per the badminton laws. for all practical purposes, the shuttle would have wound up hitting the wall or side court, but it was disputed.
after almost 10 minutes of arguing, the first official said it was a legal play. a second opinion was requested on the fact that the standard was not mounted in an official position therefore it was not considered part of the court. the second official declared that this was in fact not a regulation installation of the standard. and ruled it out. they had to make an announcement to clarify that since the posts were not install in the proper location, hitting of any post was considered a fault.
11-25-2004, 09:22 AM #44
shuttle deflects off post and into play
what if my shot hits the netpost and deflects into the opposing half, and the opponent makes a mistake by hitting the shuttle to the net or shoots outside of the court (i.e. lose the rally).
Did i won the rally, or did i lose the rally when the shuttle hit the post?
It's an important question. Please help.
11-25-2004, 09:46 AM #45
You won the rally.
It is NOT a fault if the shuttle hits the net post and your opponent touches it (or if it lands within court boundaries on his/hers side). Rule 15.2 of the Laws of Badminton applies here.
11-25-2004, 09:50 AM #46
Thanks a lot Mag !
Really appreciate it
11-25-2004, 09:59 AM #47
It might be open to debate if it was Singles.
If it was doubles I would say
You won the rally as long as the shuttle went either
a) over the net
b) around the outside of the post
It is a fault if in play, the shuttle
13.2.1 lands outside the boundaries of the court
13.2.2 passes through or under the net
13.2.3 fails to pass the net
13.2.4 touches the ceiling or side walls
13.2.5 touches the person or dress of a player
13.2.6 touches any other object or person outside the immediate surroundings of the court
None of 13.2 apply
13.2.6 comes close, but because of Laws
1.3 All lines form part of the area they define
1.5 The posts shall be placed on the doubles side lines irrespective of whether singles or doubles is being played.
In doubles, the posts are inside the boundaries of the court, so they cannot be "outside the immediate surroundings of the court"
In singles, the posts are outside the boundaries of the singles court, so are they "outside the immediate surroundings of the court"?
I don't know.
11-25-2004, 10:00 AM #48
Originally Posted by Mag
this is assuming that the shuttle was over the net and hit the top part of the pole correct?
11-25-2004, 10:07 AM #49
I was thinking of a case where you hit the post and the shuttle lands in court on the other side of the net (without the opponent hitting it).
and part of Law 1.4 contradicts my deductions based on 1.3 and 1.5
1.4 ... Posts shall not extend into the court.
I confused myself because I was remembering a situation I was once in where I lost a rally.
In singles, I played a cross-court drop shot that would have been wide, but it hit the net, rolled over and landed in the tramlines....BUT, it landed on the foot of the support for the net post and bounced back into the singles court.
I tried to claim the point, but my opponent (my coach) refused.
11-25-2004, 01:03 PM #50
Originally Posted by Mag
A shuttle is not in play when:
15.2 it strikes the net or post and starts to fall towards the surface of the court on the strikerâ€™s side of the net;
11-25-2004, 02:10 PM #51
it depends on what kind of post.
this thread should clear things up
if the post is on the game line, it's in
if the post is located outside the game line, it's out.
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