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    It's not fair either - I've spent ages looking for Yonex SHB95's and finaly found a pair and they should be arriving tomorrow, now I can't try them out for a while

    On the other hand they'll still be there when my knees are better

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dill
    It's not fair either - I've spent ages looking for Yonex SHB95's and finaly found a pair and they should be arriving tomorrow, now I can't try them out for a while

    On the other hand they'll still be there when my knees are better
    Well, at least you know what the docs will say soon. And you can dream on using those SHB95s

    And to pptam, don't play the fool. Get a check from the doctor or something. If it hurts, find out what the problem is, then you can make a move.

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    Go and see a doctor, you will notice in this thread I have not put once where the pain is or how it affects me, other than sore knees!

    The thread was created as my way of explaining what a person should do if they experience sore knees and how I am going about finding out what is wrong and hopefully curing it. There are tens of different things that could be wrong with them and I fully meant to find out what is wrong and take protective measures so it does not happen again, after I have taken the measures to fix them by whatever means the doctors suggest.

    I have a sore knee, the pain is in the front, Cheung can you please tell me what is wrong and prescribe me some medicine? NO NO NO!

    Each individual is different and as such how can we let you know what is wrong if we are not medically trained, have no experience with knees, cannot see you or perform the required tests to diagnose what is wrong, even a doctor would have difficulty here.

    By all means ask for pointers to prevent knee injury but after you have it how can an anonymous poster diagnose exactly when sometimes trained professionals cannot???

    The point I am trying to make is that I visited a site which helps you understand the potential damage and for all of the tests for each of the injuries I can do some or all of them ok for each of the suggested impairmanets, which gets me nowhere.

    Please go see a specialist after you have used your common sense to rule out the things that might have casued it in the first place as per my first post. You have rested for half the time your doctor suggested, try resting for the entire time and more, the body is not an exact science and you may require more rest than others.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dill

    The thread was created as my way of explaining what a person should do if they experience sore knees and how I am going about finding out what is wrong and hopefully curing it. There are tens of different things that could be wrong with them and I fully meant to find out what is wrong and take protective measures so it does not happen again, after I have taken the measures to fix them by whatever means the doctors suggest.

    I have a sore knee, the pain is in the front, Cheung can you please tell me what is wrong and prescribe me some medicine? NO NO NO!

    Each individual is different and as such how can we let you know what is wrong if we are not medically trained, have no experience with knees, cannot see you or perform the required tests to diagnose what is wrong, even a doctor would have difficulty here.

    By all means ask for pointers to prevent knee injury but after you have it how can an anonymous poster diagnose exactly when sometimes trained professionals cannot???
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    Wise words Dill. And I thought you were looking for some sympathy.
    errr, did I recommend any prescription?

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    You see I do learn, thanks to all my many BC coaches !!!!!

    I am back from the doctors and everything he came up with I was able to say I at least tried to eliminate something that would cause it or attempted it already, not that I like doing that kind of thing but its better than wasting the time of doctors which I hate, they provide a very valuable service to the community!

    He done all the usual pulling and stretching tests and no pain, he measured round the top of my knee and the right is one inch bigger than the left, not even the quad and hamstring just the top of the knee

    I was prescribed an anti-inflamitory (I have been taking Ibuprofen tablets and let him know) called Voltarol 50mg (contains Diclofenac sodium Ph Eur) and a referral letter to a consultant in a local private hospital.

    So 3 pills a day and about a week to wait until the specialist gets the referral letter.

    And to make matters worse on the way out I got a call from the place I ordered the SHB95 trainers from and they are out of stock and should not even be advertising them

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dill
    You see I do learn, thanks to all my many BC coaches !!!!!
    Quote Originally Posted by Dill

    I am back from the doctors and everything he came up with I was able to say I at least tried to eliminate something that would cause it or attempted it already, not that I like doing that kind of thing but its better than wasting the time of doctors which I hate, they provide a very valuable service to the community!

    He done all the usual pulling and stretching tests and no pain, he measured round the top of my knee and the right is one inch bigger than the left, not even the quad and hamstring just the top of the knee

    I was prescribed an anti-inflamitory (I have been taking Ibuprofen tablets and let him know) called Voltarol 50mg (contains Diclofenac sodium Ph Eur) and a referral letter to a consultant in a local private hospital.

    So 3 pills a day and about a week to wait until the specialist gets the referral letter.

    And to make matters worse on the way out I got a call from the place I ordered the SHB95 trainers from and they are out of stock and should not even be advertising them


    Umm...my diagnosis is that you obviously have too much time on your hands to type all the foregoing. If you spent half of that time actually playing badminton you might not be in this predicament *cough of LOSING 21-0! 21-0! to poor players and complaining that your bad knees are due to anything other than your diet of fish suppers and pizzas that drip with grease.

    Love...err..ynex.

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    I'm rather surprised that it didn't come up in the thread so far, but I suggest knee braces.

    A tube bandage was mentioned in the original post after badminton... But what I suggest is to wear braces during badminton as well.

    While it takes a doctor's diagnosis to know exactly where in a knee the injury is ( it goes without saying that not all injuries are the same ) personal experience has told me that in general, you cannot get into trouble by wearing a brace. Sure, you'll feel slower for the first few sessions. But considering the alternatives, which include natural/chemical or whatever supplements or surgery, or other forms of 'invasive' therapy, a knee brace can almost never have any sideeffects and are a relatively cheap way to help the sitution.

    I'm not saying a knee brace is a license to start jumping around and running as if we're 16 again, but they help.

    I'm really against those cotton tube-shaped knee braces though, I find that very often those do more harm than good-- they're too thin to really retain heat, and the pressure distribution is uneven, especially when you bend your leg. What I would suggest are those specially 'sport' model neoprene knee braces with the lateral stabilizers and the 'donut' ring over the knee cap. Though usually, the donut ring is classified as being there for patella support, for some reason manufacturers forget to mention that overal it makes the knee brace more comfortable when you bend you knee (because it doesn't constrict at the pit, as normal hole-less knee braces do.

    This is by no means a 'solution' to knee pain, but I am saying that the added support and warmth of a well formed neoprene brace will reduce chances of future re-injury enough to make the initial investment of 30-40$ CAN worthwhile. And no side-effects!

    If you're concerned about your knees getting to 'reliant' on the support of a knee brace, (which I think is a a misplaced accusation, because if you're so injured that you don't want to 'heal weaker' using a knee brace, you really shouldn't be playing at all, you should be resting) you can also get a looser fit, and just take advantage of the warmth retention of it.

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    I had thought of that but I prefer to know what is wrong firstly and take time out to sort it, if I have to wear knee braces to play then I might consider it but to rely on them would take some getting used to.

    The doctor thought it might be cartilage damage since I sometimes hear clicking noises but not always.

    And Fan, I took 2 weeks off to find out what was wrong with my knees, well that and to use up what is left of my holiday allowance since I've only used 10 days this year split up to play in baddy comps

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dill
    The only reason I took the Glucosinamide was to make sure I have tried everything possible in MY power to make sure I have given everything a chance, as for the tablets, I have been taking them since before the summer and around the 7 months area and they give me no benefit in the long term.

    That is my opinion, not medical fact, I am not a doctor! Just my opinion based on me.
    You said you try G for 7 months:
    1 Did you take 1500Gluso on a daily basis consistently(say at least 29day in 1 months)?
    2 "no benifit in the long term": does it mean there WAS really improvement after you took G for a while?

    I truly believe that specialist doctor is required for the diagnosis or treatment.

    I just want to share my experiences in reseaching and helping people who did not want to replace their knees with degeneration or post traumatic pain after sports . Those were not medical prescriptions, instead they are food supplement although some bone specialist also prescribed them to patient.

    Hope you get well soon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by redkingjoe
    You said you try G for 7 months:
    1 Did you take 1500Gluso on a daily basis consistently(say at least 29day in 1 months)?
    2 "no benifit in the long term": does it mean there WAS really improvement after you took G for a while?

    I truly believe that specialist doctor is required for the diagnosis or treatment.

    I just want to share my experiences in reseaching and helping people who did not want to replace their knees with degeneration or post traumatic pain after sports . Those were not medical prescriptions, instead they are food supplement although some bone specialist also prescribed them to patient.

    Hope you get well soon.
    This is what I was taking and the packet suggested one per day maximum two so I took two

    http://www.jointcare.com/productrange/chondroitin.html

    The dose as per the page is 500mg per day so it looks like they are watered down in your view or you are Linus Pauling and his vitamin C instead with this

    hope this helps.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dill
    This is what I was taking and the packet suggested one per day maximum two so I took two

    http://www.jointcare.com/productrange/chondroitin.html

    The dose as per the page is 500mg per day so it looks like they are watered down in your view or you are Linus Pauling and his vitamin C instead with this

    hope this helps.
    1 Oh! No! If you had taken "Joint Care Max", the story on your joint might have been diff. The product that you are/have been taking is for "maintining healthy joints". Insufficient dosage to have impact.

    2 "Joint care max" will provide you with 1500mg. Please do a search in seven seas web to look at joint care max.

    3 1500mg is a "theraputic dosage" well researched in the Medical coummunity. You can also do your research on the 1500mg.

    4 Finland has a big scale of research: over 10,000 subjects, taking 1500mg daily for 1 year. Before taking all subjects had degenative knees joints and had been x-rayed. After one year of taking, x-rays on the subjects showed an extremely ultra thin membrane reborn with these subjects.

    5 I repeat: I have 150+ successfully healed patients, including my wife and mom-in-law. I'm only a CPA. These people came to me because of words of mouth. The fastest acting formular is G1500xtwo, Cal1000 + Bromelian for first two month.

    Dill, we care about you and want you play Badminton the next day.

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    Oh and before I forget my theory is that I have "jumpers knee" or Patellofemoral Syndrome to give it its proper name.

    There is a link here:

    my sore knee

    but just to cheer myself up in the absence of getting a pair of SHB95's I have ordered a pair of SHB68's from the states, just a shame that the shipping cost exactly the same as the trainer I do hope I ordered the correct size.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dill
    Oh and before I forget my theory is that I have "jumpers knee" or Patellofemoral Syndrome to give it its proper name.

    There is a link here:

    my sore knee

    but just to cheer myself up in the absence of getting a pair of SHB95's I have ordered a pair of SHB68's from the states, just a shame that the shipping cost exactly the same as the trainer I do hope I ordered the correct size.
    Hope you get well soon!!!
    By the way, did you have a chance to test out Mizuno Angel Wave. Very good shock absorption and fast.

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    Futher addition, I have my first appointment with the consultant at Ross Hall hospital on the 11th February.

    I hope it goes well, I'm in agony

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dill
    Futher addition, I have my first appointment with the consultant at Ross Hall hospital on the 11th February.

    I hope it goes well, I'm in agony
    Good luck mate. Is it still hurting bad? Or just when you pressure it.

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    Ah.................... I see the light at last

    I had my apointment today and the consultant checked out my knees and there was no pain at all whilst he was trying to pull them apart to see if there was anything wrong Have to say I was slightly panicked at some of the ways he was pulling my knees around but he knows best!!

    He said that the pain was most likley caused by the knee cap being pulled out of position because the quad muscles in my legs are rather large and the inner leg muscle is weaker causing the tendon/ligament that holds the knee cap to be pulled outwards by the dominant muscle and the knee cap moving out of allignment in the provided groove causing discomfort.

    He had a nice model of a plastic knee

    Oh well he booked me in for a MRI scan next Thursday to be on the safe side and then I have to have an appointment with the physio for some exercises (named after some Australian bloke who found them beneficial for knee strengthening)

    Cheung - any info?

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    Dill,

    You have exactly the same problem i have. PFS, and also the outer part of my right leg is strong, where as the inside is weak. You'll probably be given a thera-band and given exercises to strengthen it (the vastus medialis).

    I also walk funny, so i have insoles but my knee is almost 10% now

    Rest easy buddy and happy healing.

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