Separation of the Shuttlecock

**Pball** · 12-01-2004, 03:18 AM

Guys, need some comment and insights.. this happened to me a couple of days ago in a tournament. The opposing player smashed the bird, bird separated and the cork went to our side of the net, the feathers didn't go over the net. The umpire ruled it a fault, in our favor. I was thinking a let situation. Any comments appreciated.

thanks in advance

**altreality** · 12-01-2004, 03:20 AM

Originally Posted by Pball

Guys, need some comment and insights.. this happened to me a couple of days ago in a tournament. The opposing player smashed the bird, bird separated and the cork went to our side of the net, the feathers didn't go over the net. The umpire ruled it a fault, in our favor. I was thinking a let situation. Any comments appreciated.

thanks in advance

Not a rules expert but I would have have thought it right to replay the point...

**Gollum** · 12-01-2004, 03:26 AM

The umpire was wrong; you were right.

14. LETS
14.1 'Let' shall be called by the umpire, or by a player (if there is no umpire), to halt play if:
14.1.4 during play, the shuttle disintegrates and the base completely separates from the rest of the shuttle;

**Kamen** · 12-02-2004, 02:48 AM

This leads to my next question. "What about few feathers disintergrated from the cork? Can player halt/stop the rally and ask for let?

***Cheung*** · 12-02-2004, 03:47 AM

no.

Only if the base completely seperates from the shuttle.

**Kamen** · 12-02-2004, 04:00 AM

thanks!

i had another experience too. while in a middle of a rally, opponent smashed, the shuttle "folded" as a result of the impact and flew like an "arrow" into my court. due to the unsually fast smash, i could not defend. was it a let?

thanks again!

**Gollum** · 12-02-2004, 04:12 AM

According to the rules, it is not a let. I'm willing to bet you were using a plastic shuttle - (good) feather shuttles never do this. Since this was a casual game (not a formal tournament), you could reach an agreement with your opponent to play a let.

***Cheung*** · 12-02-2004, 07:22 AM

Originally Posted by Kamen

thanks!

i had another experience too. while in a middle of a rally, opponent smashed, the shuttle "folded" as a result of the impact and flew like an "arrow" into my court. due to the unsually fast smash, i could not defend. was it a let?

thanks again!

I've had this happen occasionally with feather shuttles. Unfortunately, I am not the one who can hit it so hard

If it lands in, then it is a point to the smasher. Lands out, then point to the defender.

No let here.

**Kamen** · 12-02-2004, 08:05 PM

Thanks guys!

Gollum: it was a feather shuttle. You are right to guess that though cause the probability of this happening is much higher with plastic shuttles.

**lignofix** · 12-06-2004, 05:26 AM

Originally Posted by Gollum

The umpire was wrong; you were right.

14. LETS
14.1 'Let' shall be called by the umpire, or by a player (if there is no umpire), to halt play if:
14.1.4 during play, the shuttle disintegrates and the base completely separates from the rest of the shuttle;

I agree with you, by the way are you a qualified umpire?

**lignofix** · 12-06-2004, 05:28 AM

Originally Posted by Kamen

thanks!

i had another experience too. while in a middle of a rally, opponent smashed, the shuttle "folded" as a result of the impact and flew like an "arrow" into my court. due to the unsually fast smash, i could not defend. was it a let?

thanks again!

folding is different from seperation, a let will not be allowed.the person who can smash in this way must have a powerful smash.

**Gollum** · 12-06-2004, 06:27 AM

Originally Posted by lignofix

I agree with you, by the way are you a qualified umpire?

No I'm not (thanks for the compliment though); I just like to know the rules, and I keep a copy handy.

I am a qualified coach (low level, nothing special!), however, and it's important to know the rules if you are going to teach anyone badminton.