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    Quote Originally Posted by klaphat
    Well.. when Jens is involved it is hardly surprising that the match turns into a psychological battle.. Mag has analyzed this thoroughly in other threads where it is also mentioned that Jens takes this battle very close to the line.. and some would argue sometimes over the line.. in any case.. there is no doubt that this psychological warfare is a part of modern badminton.. just as it is a part of other sports at a high level.. just remember at the Australian Open a couple of days ago when one of Leyton Hewitts opponents was so upset with Hewitt that he first tried to serve right at his body (the ball did not even touch the court but went behind the base-line).. and later on actually tried to spit at Hewit.. obviously.. things are out of control when they get that far.. and if we do not want it in badminton.. the umpires must do something about it.. otherwise.. I think it is here to stay.. because there is no doubt that a match like the MD final in Korea in Jens' mind is only a confirmation that it pays to play the psychological field as well..
    Really, what can the umpires do about psychological tricks (except for those that infringe the rules)? Pumping fists and glaring at opponents after a rally victory, refusing to change shuttlecocks, always wanting to change shuttlecocks, taking a bit more time to receive service. Sometimes, the pure form of badminton takes a backseat. Worse, it becomes ugly like the Hewitt case. If only every player is like Roger Federer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by event
    Yes, Korea did take a WD win over China but that was with Na Kyung-min. She has since retired. Don't be fooled by her no. 5 ranking. She hasn't played internationally since the Olympics. That makes a huge difference. The Yi Kyung-won/Yi Hyo-jung partnership isn't bad but it's nothing like the former Yi/Na partnership. Nor is Yi Hyo-jung/Yi Jae-jin anywhere near the sure win that Kim/Na used to be. The big stumbling block for Korea in the Sudirman could be men's singles unless Son Seung-mo convalesces quickly after his operation and returns to form. Yi Hyun-il claimed that his month in the army put him off his game but let's face it: he hasn't been on his game for quite a while now. He had a rash of good showings in 2003 but he hasn't been in a semi-final since the Taipei Open 2003. Still, if all it takes is 3 doubles wins, Korea could take down China. Checking again, I find that Yi Hyo-jung has beaten at least 3 of the top Chinese pairs with both Yi Kyung-won and even with Hwang Yu-mi. In light of this, they are certainly a better bet for a women's doubles upset than Denmark or any other Sudirman contender.
    I don't know how the Koreans spell it, but when using their surnames as 'Yi' it really confuses what we are used to reading it as 'Lee' as in Lee Hyo-jung and Lee Hyun-il.

    I like the way Lee Hyo-jung play and I think she is impressive and she should be quite a match for any with her Lee Kyung-won partnership.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Loh
    I don't know how the Koreans spell it, but when using their surnames as 'Yi' it really confuses what we are used to reading it as 'Lee' as in Lee Hyo-jung and Lee Hyun-il.

    I like the way Lee Hyo-jung play and I think she is impressive and she should be quite a match for any with her Lee Kyung-won partnership.
    That's how the Koreans spell it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Loh
    I don't know how the Koreans spell it, but when using their surnames as 'Yi' it really confuses what we are used to reading it as 'Lee' as in Lee Hyo-jung and Lee Hyun-il.

    I like the way Lee Hyo-jung play and I think she is impressive and she should be quite a match for any with her Lee Kyung-won partnership.
    Fair enough. I'll stick to the standard spellings. I'm not doing it the way the Koreans spell it so much as how they say it. There is no such thing as a person named "Lee" in Korea. It's just some baffling transliteration idiosyncracy but since everybody both inside and outside Korea has agreed to perpetuate the same mistake. Just be prepared for confusion if you ever have to speak to a Korean about anyone named "Lee"(Ee), "Ra"(Na), "Lim"(Im), or "Roh"(Noh).

    I agree that "Lee" Hyo-jung is impressive and I hope they do make a good Sudirman Cup showing. I'm tired of China being the foregone conclusion. We need some suspense. I know the Koreans are defending champions but after last year's Thomas and Uber Cup results and today's rankings, it really doesn't feel like that means anything. Lets see Lee Hyo-jung/Lee Jae-jin and Lee Jae-jin/Jung Jae-sung rack up some more wins this year and the mood might change.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hcyong
    Really, what can the umpires do about psychological tricks (except for those that infringe the rules)? Pumping fists and glaring at opponents after a rally victory, refusing to change shuttlecocks, always wanting to change shuttlecocks, taking a bit more time to receive service. Sometimes, the pure form of badminton takes a backseat. Worse, it becomes ugly like the Hewitt case. If only every player is like Roger Federer.
    In my opinion, there is plenty the umpires can do. Not to offend Jens, but now he is the example.. when he takes too long serving or receiving.. he could be given a warning.. and when it continues.. you can penalize him a point.. which I think can be done again and again.. but can also ultimately cost the match.. it would be very controversial if any umpire was to use these tools more actively.. and naturally those rules must only be used very carefully in order not to spoil the game.. but basically.. if the umpire considers a players' actions to be unsportsman like.. then there is something which could be done about it..

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    Well, it has been known to happen that umpires hand out warnings for this kind of behaviour. Most notably, the AE final (where Jens was very much involved, although not as the obvious "offender") where Lee got a yellow card for repeatedly (on 3 occasions) not being ready when Jens was serving. Unfortunately, the umpire made a grave mistake by not allowing Lee to call for the tournament referee, which of caused much controversy (and a pretty inflamed debate here too!)...

    I also saw a match recently (can't remember which, duh, but I think Lee was once again involved) where a player was warned (although not with a yellow card) for clenching fist and shouting when facing the opponents.

    In my opinion, this kind of mind play adds to the game, unless it goes too far. As in all sports, it's really up to the umpires to draw the line.

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    just saw the md finals..the danes were actually playing with the indos...danes were in control ..they are kind of experimenting using slow pace style and soft "touch"..they didnt even want to do smash till the endings....its like they are experimenting testing out new theories how to handle fast game players like indonesians..they did look foolish on the first game..by the second game i realize they are just playing around ....the danes just look and act cool since the second to the last winning point in the 3rd game....to me the danes even "with held/retraint" their playing....they are making a field study how to deal with indonesian smashing under lab conditions.....lol
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