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  • i look down at the birdie

    381 20.91%
  • i stare at my opponent

    569 31.23%
  • i look at where i am planning to hit

    415 22.78%
  • i look at empty space.

    219 12.02%
  • i look all over the place

    330 18.11%
  • other.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CoolDoo6
    Very true, if they hog the service line, I flick the hell out of them. I am not afraid to use 15 straight flicks. No matter how stubbon they are, sooner or later they will start standing one step back.
    LOL! I'm glad that works for you but you're obviously playing against weaker opponents. If you play against better players and flick them every time, that shuttle will come back in your chest every time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CoolDoo6
    I find few but the absolute best club players can spring back fast enough. Even if they make it back, their return is less than ideal half of the time, as more often than not they are forced to make a shot while their backs are slanting backwards at maybe 45 degrees.
    LOL! Part II. One of three thing is happening here:

    1) Either you have a superior flick serve, which, my hats off to you...

    2) Or you are not playing the best club players at your club...

    3) Or the best club players at your club are not that good.

    No offense intended.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gollum
    I guess I must be playing some of the "absolute best" club players then
    Yes, you must be. The best guy in my club plays at county level. Flick serving him forces him to make a less than ideal return. Of course if the serve is not done correctly, he attacks it. I don't believe my serve, short or flick, is especially easy to read.

    As for people who prepare their body to go one way and their mind going the other way, they have my admiration. But I will serve to the place their body isn't going.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CoolDoo6
    Yes, you must be. The best guy in my club plays at county level. Flick serving him forces him to make a less than ideal return.
    Obviously a good flick serve will force any player to make a "less than ideal return". But a county player should easily be able to attack any flick serve, usually with a good half-smash.

    If he can't attack your flick serve, then I don't believe for an instant that he's a (senior) county player

    I'm not saying that county players can just win the rally immediately with their return of serve, but they should be able to attack (smash or dropshot) with reasonable effectiveness.
    Last edited by Gollum; 11-03-2006 at 04:30 AM.

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    @Gollum:

    Could you explain what level county players have? I mean, how is it in the UK, is there a premiere league and so on like in football?

    And what in which league a county player would play? Sorry, if the question is stupid, perhaps I will google about english badminton leagues, hope I can find something...

    How good are the english leagues, especially the 1st or "premier" league?

    Here in germany in the "1. Bundesliga" there are players like Xu Huaiwen, Bjoern Joppien, Elizabeth Cann. International Top Players! Are there also many in england? Is for example Nathan Robertson playing in englang or is he playing in denmark or only playing international tournaments?

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    I'm no expert on the details of England leagues and tournaments, and I certainly have no idea how to assess how good English players are compared to other countries (other than at the international level, where you see how they perform against each other).

    Sorry.

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    County players are one level above the best club players. The county is an exclusive 'club' that is only open to invitees. Sometimes they look for new talent in open taurnaments run in large clubs that are open to members of other clubs. I think the international players are one level above the best county players.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CoolDoo6
    County players are one level above the best club players. The county is an exclusive 'club' that is only open to invitees. Sometimes they look for new talent in open taurnaments run in large clubs that are open to members of other clubs. I think the international players are one level above the best county players.
    So in U.S. terms, a county player is an "A" Player or thereabouts. Cool dood! No pun intended.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DinkAlot
    So in U.S. terms, a county player is an "A" Player or thereabouts. Cool dood! No pun intended.
    So which bit is the unintended pun ? Anyone knows what is the UK equivalent of the US pun ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by CoolDoo6
    I think the international players are one level above the best county players.
    Where does that put national players?

    International players may also play for their county (at one point Middlesborough had three world champions in its county team, or so I was told. I think they did pretty well in the inter-counties back then.).

    It all becomes rather confusing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gollum
    Where does that put national players?

    International players may also play for their county (at one point Middlesborough had three world champions in its county team, or so I was told. I think they did pretty well in the inter-counties back then.).

    It all becomes rather confusing.
    No idea. I am gussing county is national. The county players go all over the country to play against other counties. I don't think it gets more national than that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CoolDoo6
    No idea. I am gussing county is national. The county players go all over the country to play against other counties. I don't think it gets more national than that.
    Indeed, but then you have the county league players, which is usually what people mean when they say "county player".

    The distinction is: does a player take part in intra-county tournaments or inter-county tournaments?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gollum
    Where does that put national players?
    National Players are "Super A" in the U.S.

    In the U.S., roughly:

    Super A = National Player, represents or can the country

    A = Top Player, just below/on the verge of being a National Player

    B = Top Club Player, has most of, if not all the advanced shots, either not quite as refined/experienced as the A or not fast/fit enough to be consistent A.

    C = Good Club Player, has all the basic shots and many advanced shots

    D = Average Club Player

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    Beginner-Beginner

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gollum
    Indeed, but then you have the county league players, which is usually what people mean when they say "county player".

    The distinction is: does a player take part in intra-county tournaments or inter-county tournaments?
    The county player in my club goes to play against other counties. So it seems logical that he is a national player. Prior to his selection for the county team, he trained and played agaist other county players within his county. Of course not all of them could be selected for the team. So you might say county players are just national players in waiting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gollum
    Where does that put national players?

    International players may also play for their county (at one point Middlesborough had three world champions in its county team, or so I was told. I think they did pretty well in the inter-counties back then.).

    It all becomes rather confusing.
    county players represent their county against other counties in inter-county matches/leagues/tournaments

    national players represent their nation against other nations in international matches/leagues/tournaments

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    Quote Originally Posted by DinkAlot
    D = Average Club Player
    Ok, I get it now. So cooldooD makes me a D player. Ok, I am happy with this designation.

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    Indeed. I'm still a D player too.

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