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    Greetings,

    I need some peoples opinion’s.

    Last night I played a league match, my team was playing away. The location we played in was extremely slippery, to the point where if you moved more than 2 steps at a time, you’d have a good chance of falling over. However, we decided that it wasn’t so bad, and everyone had to play on the same surface.

    We lost, all 6 games, in 12 straight matches.

    I then looked at the teams results for the past few years, they never seem to loose at home, and never do very well away. Not meaning to sound harsh, but they’re not the best team in our league by a long shot.

    So, what do you think we should do next time we have to play them? Just field a weak team and accept that we’re going to loose? Tell them we’re not willing to play on an unsafe surface?

    I know they’re not cheating, but surly someone at the club must have said at some point “crikey, we do alright at home don’t we, and not so well away, I wonder why…”. It does seem a little unfair.

    So, suggestions please...

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    Quote Originally Posted by mjwhitfield
    Greetings,

    I need some peoples opinion’s.

    Last night I played a league match, my team was playing away. The location we played in was extremely slippery, to the point where if you moved more than 2 steps at a time, you’d have a good chance of falling over. However, we decided that it wasn’t so bad, and everyone had to play on the same surface.

    We lost, all 6 games, in 12 straight matches.

    I then looked at the teams results for the past few years, they never seem to loose at home, and never do very well away. Not meaning to sound harsh, but they’re not the best team in our league by a long shot.

    So, what do you think we should do next time we have to play them? Just field a weak team and accept that we’re going to loose? Tell them we’re not willing to play on an unsafe surface?

    I know they’re not cheating, but surly someone at the club must have said at some point “crikey, we do alright at home don’t we, and not so well away, I wonder why…”. It does seem a little unfair.

    So, suggestions please...
    DO NOT FIELD A WEAK TEAM. That is down right cowardly of you. Fight it with pride and go for the glory. What kind of sportsmanship qualities do you show by doing that.

    And yes tell em to fix their court. It is dangerous to play on a slippery court.... Bring it up with league officials.

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    Why was it slippy? If it was dusty, then I would say try using a wet towel on the side of the court (or spill a bit of water at the side of the court.) even if you have to do this every rally.

    Surely they have the same problem?

    When playing on slippy surfaces, playing a fast game is not the thing to do,play to the corners, make them move, even if it means making your drops slower but tighter. dont commit on smashes, as opposition can just play it back, and you cannot move quick enough (due to the surface) to get back.

    Another thing, change your foorwork slightly so you feet are closer together, as this will increase the grip on the surface. You will have to move in smaller, quicker steps, rather than big lunges.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jamesd20
    Why was it slippy?
    It's wood flooring, but not the good stuff, more like the fake wood people use in their houses, we had wet towels, but it didn't help for more than a few steps then it went back to being like playing on ice.

    Yes they have the same problem, but they have all changed their game to deal with it, we don't have that chance in the 2 hours we are there.

    Is it too much to ask that the games be fair?

    Quote Originally Posted by FEND.
    DO NOT FIELD A WEAK TEAM. That is down right cowardly of you. Fight it with pride and go for the glory. What kind of sportsmanship qualities do you show by doing that.
    We did, but tell that to one of my team mates who this morning is covered in injuries from falling over so much, i'm not exagerating when I say it's like playing on ice. He's not willing to do that again, and I'm not willing to ask my team mates to injure themselves in the name of fighting "with pride and go for the glory". Why should we go for the moral high ground, they won and they know it's not a fair fight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mjwhitfield
    It's wood flooring, but not the good stuff, more like the fake wood people use in their houses, we had wet towels, but it didn't help for more than a few steps then it went back to being like playing on ice.

    Yes they have the same problem, but they have all changed their game to deal with it, we don't have that chance in the 2 hours we are there.

    Is it too much to ask that the games be fair?

    We did, but tell that to one of my team mates who this morning is covered in injuries from falling over so much, i'm not exagerating when I say it's like playing on ice. He's not willing to do that again, and I'm not willing to ask my team mates to injure themselves in the name of fighting "with pride and go for the glory". Why should we go for the moral high ground, they won and they know it's not a fair fight.
    emmm. How bout reporting it to league officials like I said afterwords??? .

    To your friends who were injured, I hope they get well soon.

    FEND.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FEND.
    emmm. How bout reporting it to league officials like I said afterwords??
    I will, I play with them on Saturday nights. The only way to fix it is to have set locations for the matches, but that's a lot of extra effort and I’m not sure the people that run the league are getting paid. All it would take is a few teams to say “we’re not willing to move venues” and the officials would back down not wanting to loose teams.


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    Quote Originally Posted by mjwhitfield
    It's wood flooring, but not the good stuff, more like the fake wood people use in their houses, we had wet towels, but it didn't help for more than a few steps then it went back to being like playing on ice.

    You mean the concrete lattice slats you get in school/council sports halls? I hate that stuff.

    Having good grip for a few steps is better than none.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mjwhitfield
    However, we decided that it wasn’t so bad,
    mistake

    Quote Originally Posted by mjwhitfield
    So, what do you think we should do next time we have to play them? Just field a weak team and accept that we’re going to loose? Tell them we’re not willing to play on an unsafe surface?
    Refuse to play

    Quote Originally Posted by mjwhitfield
    It does seem a little unfair.
    Fair or not, it's dangerous.

    Quote Originally Posted by mjwhitfield
    So, suggestions please...
    Complain to the league.
    Tell them you will not play there until the floor is safe.
    Do not play there
    Contact other clubs that have to play there and get them to complain to the league.
    If you do send a team there again, warm up to see if the surface is any better, but if it is not, then do not play the match.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Neil Nicholls
    If you do send a team there again, warm up to see if the surface is any better, but if it is not, then do not play the match.
    That was the plan for next time, what would happen? Would we forfit the match or what?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mjwhitfield
    That was the plan for next time, what would happen? Would we forfit the match or what?
    Dunno about the match, but you won't get injured.
    Depends on the decision of your league.
    You will be in a better position if you (and others) have complained about the venue.

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    I'm with Neil on this one. You must refuse to play on a surface that you consider unsafe.

    The other team might be upset; your team might be upset; your partner might be upset. Tough. Let them all be upset; your health and future playing career
    are more important.

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    A quick way to get them to clean up their act - get your friend who sustained injuries from falling on the slippery surface to sue the club and league.

    if there's a well documented history of dangerous slippery surface, and a refusal to do anything about it except take the advantage in league matches, the club has opened itself up for legal action.

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    ALso agree with Neil.

    I would think the league has a responsibility to its players for reasonably safe playing environment. Doesn't the league have to buy insurance cover for players? If there was an injury, insurance costs may go up.

    Better voice concerns to the league before somebody gets injured really badly. If the league officials say the surface is OK, then either you play and loe, or you refuse to play....

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    There's nothing more annoying than feeling like you're going to fall over if you stretch out even a little bit.

    I've noticed how some players have a much easier time on slippery courts because their footwork is more balanced I guess. Me, I tend to push off quite hard and rely on leg strength, so a slippery floor completely kills my game.

    We had a match once (a home game) where the leisure centre had not cleaned the floors and it was so dusty we could barely hit clears during warm-up. We insisted on the staff wiping the floors with mops. We had to wait about 20 minutes for it to dry off again, but at least it was okay afterwards.

    The other team were pretty understanding about it. I guess it happens at a lot of places.

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    Having played league badminton for over fifteen years now I have certainly played in a number of shockingly bad venues. The worst I have ever played in, believe it or not, is The Triangle in Burgess Hill. Yes, the former venue for the English Nationals. The visibility in that hall in non-existent and the floor is extremely dangerous.

    I have also played league badminton in Essex and have never witness so many tiny one-court halls gathered together in one place. Some of the village halls are so low that if you stand in the corner and lift your racquet up to full stretch you can tough the rafters. Jump smashes were out of the question that night. What is worse when you play in these venues is that you generally play against tricky old people who know exactly how to win in those conditions. Drive serves from the rear court, serving from the tramlines, smacking the shuttle up to gain a let when you are clearly beaten in a rally, etc.

    In answer to your problems the first step should be to raise the issue with the league committee. Get all the other clubs in that league to do the same thing. The issue of slippery floors is not taken seriously enough anywhere that I have played. It is never the same for both sides as one side plays the majority of their badminton under those conditions.

    There is no excuse for having a slippery floor as every club has the option of buying a mop and washing the floor before the match. This may add thirty minutes to the time they hire the hall but will make a huge difference. Even sweeping the dust of the surface make a huge difference to grip. Often clubs are aware of the distaste that everyone feels about their venue and are unwilling to surrender the advantage. The players are, as a rule, also very quick to roll their eyes or tut when you wipe your feet on a wet towel.

    The secret of playing under these conditions is knowing when to hit cross-court and when to hit straight. The normal rules of badminton do not apply under these conditions. In mixed, in particular, the cross-court drive becomes a devastating shot. To beat them at their own game you must do everything you can to cut off this option. Your partner must try to threaten any cross-court shot. Counter any cross-court with a block to the forecourt, making them lift.

    The other secret is the change of pace. A fast flat game will play right into their hands, you must slow the game down and take control of the forecourt. If they are having to lift it give you more time to get into position. When you get a chance to smash make sure the shuttle goes down, even if you have to take pace off, rather than flat and don't give them any angle to work with. On no account give them anything to counter-attack, if you can't hit a decisive smash then concentrate on making them move.

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