couple of months ago, some Forza representers came to our club to put on a demonstration, one of the representer is Daryle Y(spelling?), former badminton olympian. i have a chance to talk to him, he mention that playing nylon give him extreme shoulder pain, a hallow feeling on impact. i find it strange that a person of his caliber with proper technique can experience shoulder pain. i too have shoulder pain once playing with nylon but the pain come from bad technique. after i changed my technique (it was arkward at first) for smash and clear, i was free from pain, now i consider myself a nylon specialist (yes, i'm bragging), i'm much better with nylon than feather, smash is much more affective and much stronger backhand with nylon. oh yeah, back to subject 'nylon phenomenal'. just recently i experience shoulder pain (the beast is back) and it is not because of bad technique, i think the culprit is the nylon shuttle??? what happen during that session is, one of the player brought some feather shuttle with him, so we try it out on the sideline. after 10 minutes or so later with the feather shuttle warmup, a court is open, we were able to start a game. we put the feather shuttle to the side and start the game with nylon (mavis 300)because that's what our club use. during that game i feel sore in my shouler, and after the session during night time, i have terrible shoulder pain. i was pondering all night, replaying my badminton session in my head and try to figure what i did in that session that give me shoulder pain, and the only thing i can think of is the 'switch' from feather to nylon. nylon to nylon with proper technique...no pain nylon to feather with proper technique...no pain feather to nylon with proper technique....shoulder pain. how odd?
no, not feather no, i play with feather before, it doesn't give me pain even with bad technique. i have play in haft of dozen tournament with feather, no shoulder pain, just feel sick of exhaustion. the reason i jump to this conclusion is, several other regular feather user told me they experience shoulder pain too after a session with nylon. Daryle Y is one of them.
Re: no, not feather happy guy: I think you should get some medical proven before you jumped into your own conclusion! It sounds it to me you're pinpointing to Darryl instead of discussing a topic on shoulder pain!
Re: no, not feather then you and darryl have a valid point about potential pain when switching from feather back to nylon. Strucking these 2 types of shuttlecocks correctly required slightly different stroke. I doubt you b4 to eliminate the other possibility.
Re: no, not feather no, i don't jump to conclusion because of just one person....Darryl Y. as i said before, i have eliminate my wrist and shoulder pain several months ago, and it just that one session i experience shoulder pain, and like to find out what i did or what cause my shoulder pain. as a technician, i have come up with several hypothesis which i did not memtion in my post, the hypothese of the 'switch' is the one i favor the most, not just what Darryle or i experience, there is other feather user who complain about nylon. i remember there is a post long time ago, which i try to search but can not find, but the topic is something like 'nylon cause injury?'. i thought that is so silly, i didn't even bother to read it because i believe injury cause by bad technique and lack of good warmup. i also found this post from Calvin "For those who use a lot of wrist in their stroke, there is a high chance of injury due to the momentum in a nylon bird, thus there is a switch to a stroke consisting of more shoulder rotation and arm swing instead of wrist. Playing nylon birds will make your forearms hurt" i'm not saying that i will bet my life saving on my theory, but i just like to get a feed back from player who is a regular feather user who experience pain with nylon shuttle. that all.
Re: no, not feather no, i don't jump to conclusion because of just one person....Darryl Y. as i said before, i have eliminate my wrist and shoulder pain several months ago, and it just that one session i experience shoulder pain, and like to find out what i did or what cause my shoulder pain. as a technician, i have come up with several hypothesis which i did not memtion in my post, the hypothese of the 'switch' is the one i favor the most, not just what Darryle or i experience, there is other feather user who complain about nylon. i remember there is a post long time ago, which i try to search but can not find, but the topic is something like 'nylon cause injury?'. i thought that is so silly, i didn't even bother to read it because i believe injury cause by bad technique and lack of good warmup. i also found this post from Calvin "For those who use a lot of wrist in their stroke, there is a high chance of injury due to the momentum in a nylon bird, thus there is a switch to a stroke consisting of more shoulder rotation and arm swing instead of wrist. Playing nylon birds will make your forearms hurt" i'm not saying that i will bet my life saving on my theory, but i just like to get a feed back from player who is a regular feather user who experience pain with nylon shuttle. that all.
Re: no, not feather no, i don't jump to conclusion because of just one person....Darryl Y. as i said before, i have eliminate my wrist and shoulder pain several months ago, and it just that one session i experience shoulder pain, and like to find out what i did or what cause my shoulder pain. as a technician, i have come up with several hypothesis which i did not memtion in my post, the hypothese of the 'switch' is the one i favor the most, not just what Darryle or i experience, there is other feather user who complain about nylon. i remember there is a post long time ago, which i try to search but can not find, but the topic is something like 'nylon cause injury?'. i thought that is so silly, i didn't even bother to read it because i believe injury cause by bad technique and lack of good warmup. i also found this post from Calvin "For those who use a lot of wrist in their stroke, there is a high chance of injury due to the momentum in a nylon bird, thus there is a switch to a stroke consisting of more shoulder rotation and arm swing instead of wrist. Playing nylon birds will make your forearms hurt" i'm not saying that i will bet my life saving on my theory, but i just like to get a feed back from player who is a regular feather user who experience pain with nylon shuttle. that all.
My arm hurts after switching from feather to nylon. I think it's because there's less weigt to the nylon then feather. It's like throwing a hardball as hard as you can for awhile and then switching to a tennis ball. Of course, I suppose changing techniques would help with the adjustment but there's still the chance of someone attempting to throw or hit the same way as if they were using the "heavier" object.
Re: no, not feather your quote of calvin's words conflict with tim. seem like all the theories here are not well founded.
hi Tim, i'm glad you also experience what i experience (not that is a good thing to have pain) after switching from feather to nylon. people who don't experiece pain from the switch probably think we are full of BS. one time i watch a TLC program call 'phamtom pain' is about people who lost a limp still feel pain althought the physical part is no longer there, it is like they feel extreme pain in their left palm but they don't even have a left hand. i'm not saying my case is same as this TLC program, what i'm pointing out is that people who don't experience what other experiece it, tend to dismiss it. all i know is if i start warmup with nylon shuttle, i have no problem playing with nylon all night, and if i switch from nylon to feather, i still have no problem with my shoulder but from feather to nylon, shoulder pain is unavoidable especially on hard smashes for ME. it is still debatable which weight more, feather or nylon. people like cooler and kwun believe nylon (mavis 300) is heavier, and some of us including me feel feather is heavier. when i strike a feather shuttle, it feel solid (heavier) and sound good, and on contact you feel the weight is there but with nylon (mavis 300) no feel of the weight, no solid sound, so for me nylon feel much lighter than feather. i'm not saying nylon (mavis 300) is lighter than feather because cooler will jump all over me with his fact sheet but what i'm saying is nylon feel much light on impact. and if cooler is right about the weight than it is a mystery to me why all feather i have play with feel heavier than nylon.
I guess feather could be lighter...could it be that when you strike a feather, the feathers fan out, making more wind resistance and have it feel heavier? All I know from my own experience is that it takes less effort to hit a nylon then it does a feather, so when switching from nylon to feather, there's no problem but from feather to nylon, there is... All the players on my team hate playing with nylon after playing with feather for so long...arm pain is one of the main reasons Happyguy, you are definitely not alone with this problem. My solution is to just not play nylon anymore but if you have to, then the only thing that may help is adjusting to the timing as much as possible so you don't "throw out" your arm
i want to clarify that i don't doubt your shoulder ache and pain when switching from feather to nylon.My beef is that some of your conclusions are hard for me to comprehend. Like **All I know from my own experience is that it takes less effort to hit a nylon then it does a feather**. Are u saying less work = more pain and more work = less pain? Also, when comparing feather and nylon shuttles having the same speed rating, why do you say feathers have more air resistance ? both shuttles should travel the same distance with equal racket speed. Correct me if i'm wrong here.
I read somewhere that hitting the nylon shuttle requires something like 20% more energy to give it the same speed like to the feather one. My observation is similar. I play mostly with a feather RSL Ace. If I have to play with nylon Mavis 300 I need more power (or faster swing) to place my clears to the back line. Sometimes I experience shoulder pain after playing with too aggresive style It is not related to switching from nylon to feather or vice versa in my case.
That last statement could be correct in both ways. More resistance equals slower speed but can that be overcome with a heavier cork base so that the final distance will be the same??
cooler wrote: "Are u saying less work = more pain and more work = less pain?" i don't think there is a equation for this problem. less work = more pain or more work = more pain i think (of course i could be wrong) it is how the brain is program. when you warm up with the feather for a while, your brain is program to adjust the resistance on contact but when you switch to nylon, the resistance is reduce so your brain is fool, and you tend to over swing which in turn puting more pressure on the rotational cuff. And i'm not saying feather is faster or slower, or feather is heavier or lighter, from my experience the feather shuttle have more resistance on contact. another way of looking it, is walking down the stair...if you climb down the stair and you believe you have reach ground level but there still one step left before ground level, so your brain is fooled. your brain tells your leg that you have reach the ground level, and your leg muscle is firm and ready to plan it on the ground but ground is not there, so you likely lose your balance and probably injure yourself. that's just one theory i have why switching from feather to nylon cause pain, do you guys have other theory?
Wow...I never knew there would be so many different opinions on nylon and feather descriptions. To clarify my explanations.... I used the best analogy I can think of in describing how switching from feather to nylon feels like. It's like swicthing from throwing a hardball to a tennis ball. Let's say you throw a hardball about 200 times and then I give you a tennis ball to throw.You will probably apply the same techniqe and throw the tennis ball like you would a hard ball. There is a very good chance that after a few throws, your arm will start to hurt. Same goes with switching from feather to nylon. That's why I said that being able to switch your technique when switching between birds might help. If you adjust to the difference between the two (whatever it may be) your arm won't hurt as much. You can't tell me that hitting nylon and feather feel the same. There's definitely a difference. I can't even feel a nylon come off of my racquet. If my racquet was strung at 18lbs then maybe but not at 22lbs. In tournaments that use both nylon and feather, nylon players have some difficulty if none in playing a feather match. But when feather players end up in the nylon divisions, they (or at least I do) find it very difficult to adjust to a "nylon game" Hopefully this helps clarify what I meant but if not, I can give it another shot. Please keep in mind that in no way am I dissing nylon players.
