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    Default Smash defense - Backhand dominant vs both forehand and backhand

    Coach Lee Jae Bok teaches both forehand and backhand smash defense. But why do so many top ranked international players use backhand dominant smash defense? Does it come down to preference? Which do you think is better?

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    Simple, in the thumb grip you defend in a whole circle, it can defend head height, right side, centre and left side. Where as in forearm grip because of the limiting flexibility of the wrist it is very very hard to defend your backhand side and body. However if it were a ft/ half a metre away to your forehand side it would be very hard to get power using a backhand grip due to the range of motion of the shoulder therefore a forehand grip would be used.

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    A backhand bias grip is best for defence in doubles.

    BH grip allows you to cover more area than forehand and is arguably stronger than forehand for the very short strokes that defence requires. The only trouble with BH grip is obviously returning on the forehand side. If you can't change grip fast enough, then you may be forced to return a smash to the forehand with a backhand grip - not ideal.

    So, the secret is in being able to change to a forehand grip quickly - if there's time. Sometimes the smashes are so fast, you simply don't have time.

    One of the ways to enable you to change grip quickly, is to relax your backhand grip and leave a small gap between the bottom of the "V" of your hand and the handle. This allows you to switch very quickly compared to gripping the handle fully. This is very useful if a smash unexpectedly comes in high and flat - near the shoulder area of the racquet arm where a BH grip will struggle to return.

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    I guess I should have said backhand only vs balanced. I see a lot of top double players use the backhand only smash defense. They take smashes to their forehand side with their backhand.

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    As R20190 mentioned, backhand defence is better for 90% of situations... because forearm supination in backhand is faster and more powerful than pronation in forehand.

    The only time it's disadvantageous is when the smash is far on the forehand side. But if you have a good reach and technique like some of these pro players (eg. TBH, YYS, and especially LYD), then backhand defence is still the best.

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    Quote Originally Posted by visor View Post
    As R20190 mentioned, backhand defence is better for 90% of situations... because forearm supination in backhand is faster and more powerful than pronation in forehand.
    uhm, but you don't use supination for b/h defense - it's ulnar deviation (and grip tightening)!

    On the forehand side flexion will be used (well, at least the reverse of extension).
    Last edited by amleto; 07-16-2014 at 01:58 PM.

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    Perhaps you use mostly ulnar deviation, but I use mostly forearm supination.

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    Quote Originally Posted by visor View Post
    Perhaps you use mostly ulnar deviation, but I use mostly forearm supination.
    Now now children... play nicely! You're all correct - backhand defence on the backhand side will use a lot of ulnar deviation (and may not use supination depending on what shot is played from where), but using a backhand grip on the forehand side will use much more supination!

    In all seriousness, for defence, I would definitely try to hold a relaxed thumb grip and take the majority of shots with a backhand action (including high drives on the forehand side if comfortable, and shots just to the forehand side of the racket shoulder).

    However, it is easy to simply relax the wrist and allow the racket to roll over to the forehand side (by relaxing, you end up with a forehandish grip anyway) and play the shots easily - i.e. there is no grip change, just a relaxation of the backhand grip.

    I would suggest that any shots wide on the forehand are taken with the forehand hitting action. Note: whilst professionals do defend backhand a lot, they tend to get into a lot of problem trying to defend with a backhand on the forehand side, the more successful defensive shots are played with a relaxed forehand hitting action.

    Good luck!

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    Really Matt? From my photo posted above, you use a purely karate chop action backhand defence?

    (there goes my gold star... )

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    Quote Originally Posted by visor View Post
    Really Matt? From my photo posted above, you use a purely karate chop action backhand defence?

    (there goes my gold star... )
    Sometimes I do yes Especially when the shuttle comes around chest height close to the body!

    It all depends on what type of shot I want to play, and how fast and how high it comes Obviously its not applicable all the time!

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    i see that backhand defense all the time in my club

    however i dont think it is done properly

    as i learned a lot of LJBs youtube videos, i stick to his smash defense...i tried the backhand defence in training and it worked surprisingly well for the first try, but in game i feel like my reach is very bad with this technique..if the smash doesnt come into my direct reach on the body or to the backhand side its a mess
    and i also see other players doing it all the time relatively unsuccessful...especially when the shuttle comes to the forehand side where they would have got the shuttle back relatively easy with a normal preparation...

    so i do it only if there is a very fast smash coming (opponent in his middle or even frontcourt) when i expect to have no reaction time anyway..in the hope the shuttle comes to my racket somehow

    as long as i think i will have enough reaction time i defend with neutral grip and see what comes..


    maybe the pros are able to change back to normal quickly enough so they can benefit from the backhand defenses advantages and not suffer the disadvantages as i see them often

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    You have enough time to change the grip??

    You must be super fast, or your opponent's smashes must be really bad...

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    I use mainly BH defence. The main issue I find is other people defending forehand, we clash or both leave it.

    I want to see visors karate chop now, I thought that was locked wrist and rotate round the elbow not wrist, but I digress.

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    ^ Not me who uses the karate chop defence... it's Matt and amleto.

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    Not for defense, your actual karate chop. Ulnar deviation couldn't chop a carrot!
    Back on topic, I think I supinate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by visor View Post
    ^ Not me who uses the karate chop defence... it's Matt and amleto.
    Got to say I find it weird you don't ever hit a backhand using just the wrist (no forearm) - haven't you ever hit a tap net kill? Or a tap drive? Its the same as using just the wrist in defence when someone hits at the body.

    Most professionals do it on occasion too... :P

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