An ethical question..

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  1. newplayer

    newplayer Regular Member

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    Hi,

    I find it unethical to smash the shuttle at girls, elderly players and people whose
    skills are noticably lower than mine (even though I'm also a beginner). Most
    times when I get a chance to do a kill at the net or a smash in mid-court, I will
    go out of my way to direct the kill/smash away from the above 3 types of players,
    or try to drop the shuttle. However, since I'm a beginner myself, by trying
    to avoid hitting my opponents, I often hit the shuttle out of the court or into
    the net, or give a high "drop" that my opponents would then use to turn the
    rally into their favour.... and if I just clear the shuttle, my partner would accuse
    me of wasting a good opportunity to end the rally in our favour ...

    What would you do?

    newplayer
     
  2. Dave18

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    Just finish it. You must show aggression on the court. Show no mercy to anyone. :p
     
  3. newplayer

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    Er... I cannot, I'd feel really bad if I hit the shuttle into my helpless opponents.

    This just reminds me of a particular game I played against a girl: I first played
    her around 3 months ago when I was really crap, and she walked all over me
    at the time. Now, I've improved a bit, and was confident enough to challenge her
    a couple of weeks ago, here is what happened:

    We were playing a 15-point game, she started really strong and quickly lead me
    14-4, then I started to get into gears, and got the score back to 14-14, then
    we agreed to play for 3 points -- I got the first point, then all of a sudden, I felt
    really sorry for her -- because she had such a good start and now she might
    lose, and I couldn't make myself execute every shot to my best ability -- then I
    lost the game.

    What's wrong with me?

    newplayer
     
  4. slvrdrgn123

    slvrdrgn123 Regular Member

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    ur a wimp.....JK :p

    thats something weird u got goin on....
    for me, if i go into a serious match, i will always do my best and give no mercy, be it girls, or the elderly. i play to win....

    just like dave18 said, u must show agression on the court.
     
  5. pb_aznstyle

    pb_aznstyle Regular Member

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    If you are a beginner than it should be all fair game.
     
  6. wilfredlgf

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    I believe there is already a thread on this on the badminton forums - can't bother to search for it; it's 3.09 am here.

    Try it.
     
  7. DinkAlot

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    I go easy, I don't want to potentially hurt someone. For me, it's just a game, a good work-out. I don't play with the mentality: win at all costs, I play for the fun.

    Now if it were my career... :p
     
  8. Super~ME!

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    haha...i had the exact same problem about a year ago. i would always feel bad for beating people...but only in tournaments...cause like...if you mess up, you're screwed and knocked out. but this only happened in singles. i don't really have this problem anymore, but only sometimes. like...in doubles, it's less of a problem cause i think of my partner and how he would feel if i screwed him up by being nice to the opponents. however, if the opponents are really weak, then i'll give them a few points so they don't feel as bad. kinda like how you don't go around and kill someone 15-0...you at least give them 1 or 2. i'd do this less in singles unless i'm ahead of them by a lot or if i have a 75%+ chance of winning. but then, after a year or so...i improved a bit and had a bit of an image to keep up...so i got over it eventually.

    so like...maybe if the people you're playing are really bad...be nice and don't smash, just like tap it down or something. if it's high at the net...just net it making sure you don't get killed in the process. in singles...just make them run for it. cause like....when you play, you have to be realistic...the opponent should know how big their chances of winning are within the first 5 rallies or so...so, they shouldn't find it too hard to accept the fact that they screwed up and got smashed on unless they have a super huge ego..:p
     
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  9. sexytom

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    I was playing a douubles game earlier today and did a really hard smash at one of my opponents who's a close friend of mine. The shuttle hit him right in the face I didnt mean it to but it hit him bang in the face and it must have hurt a lot. I felt very bad!!!:rolleyes:
     
  10. pengu1ns

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    I cannot smash at girls, especially girls who are at a lower level than me. It seems so very mean, mind you it can be useful, because it forces me to use good drop shots to avoid hitting the girl in front of me.;)
    I cannot abide people who smash at girls, dam them :mad:
     
  11. ErrBerr

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    Yeah.. I had that problem too, and I think I still do, hehe. I used to play mixed doubles with my partner and whenever we played, I never smashed at the opposing chick.

    I went around this by forcing them to play sides whenever I can and then picking on the guy. Otherwise it'll be either a deep clear or a controlled drop shot or whatever comes to mind; lol.. so pathetic.. :(

    My partner didn't mind cause most of the time we won together.. ^^..
     
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    I think it is disrespectful to an opponent not to give your best in a game. If that means a body smash to win the point, so be it.
     
  13. Battousai

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    Here here, I agree with that statement. I've played against better players and hate it when they try less than their bests and worst yet when they are not that much better or even better than i am at all and when they try a shot then miss it horribly cause they were "not trying".
    Although I must say there are cases when the opponent are beginners and in that case i just hit clears and drops and make them run.
    In the case of not smashing girls i kinda think some people are not giving girls enough credit when they say oh no never smash at a girl. How else do they learn to return them!:) Girls can return any smash that guys can.
     
  14. ErrBerr

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    Yeah.. I guess you guys have a point. Guess I'll just have to try and overcome it.. :eek:
     
  15. kaizen

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    i kinda know how you feel..previously i had this problem..i think i still have it..but its better..here's what i think..

    my friends and i started off as nupes about 3 years ago.it wasn't much of a concern then as everyone was about the same level..as everyone was improving some imroved more than the others, call it natural talent or hardwork...i was one them...not boasting but soon i was the best in the my group :cool:

    at that stage while playing against players of lower level, i didn't find the point of smashing them..i believed whether you smash or not, 99% you're gonna win..so against lower-level players i don't attack much..i gain points from their mistakes..i make them take shots which they haven't mastered or even tried..i try to make them run around which at least will help their footwork or stamina..i think.. haha..so by doing this it can at least help improve their game even if its by a small amount..with different level of players i change the amount of attacks accordingly..

    but if the person is somewhere near your level, you don't have to care..just play your game..if the game is hard for them they'll improve..if they improve, they'll be your level sooner or later and you'll have a challenge..i think its fun to have challenge rather than be without any excitement..

    for me, when playing with lower-level players, whether they are your friends or strangers, i like to go a bit easy on them, although its kind of disrespecting your opponents..but i want others to improve too..i'm also worried about their mental phase..what if they think that they are nowhere near your skill..they MAY soon give up hope..i just don't want that to happen..a bit of easy-going can help..

    but if you are playing in tournaments, i'm sorry..you can't be like helping a person in a tournament, where you have to care for your game..anyone on the other side of the court is your oppponent.. guess i said too much..haha..

    if anyone got other ideas on this issue, other than already stated, PLEASE post a reply..


     
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    I agree. But there is this 71-year-old gentleman in my club, he's really good
    at dropping and net-playing. However, because of his age and past illness,
    he cannot run or do a baseline-to-baseline clear. So, techniquely, he's above
    me, but physically, I'm stronger. He's a very nice person and has taught me
    quite a few tricks for the past a few months, and I feel really guilty for making
    him run or smashing the shuttle near him. What would you do in my situation?

    newplayer
     
  17. sexytom

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    I would be interested to hear a womans point of view on this thread. Perhaps they may think that taking it easy on them because theyre a woman is sexist so they'd rather you just played normally?
     
  18. newplayer

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    I guess it depnds on how seriously the girl takes badminton. I guess
    if she took it really seriously, she'd prefer her opponents to play normally,
    otherwise, she'd probably be pissed and scared if you smashed the shuttle at
    her.

    newplayer
     
  19. Neil Nicholls

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    Ask him what he thinks.

    Also, you're not playing against just one person. It depends on how good his partner is, and how they play together. Does his partner do a lot of running to cover for his lack of mobililty, or just leave him to it?
     
  20. i_two_net

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    Thats a tough one alright, deal with it in a sensitive manner I guess. Give encouragement for his good shots and don't gloat if you win too easy. I had tennis partner who would mercilessly kill me 6-0 6-0 regularly, but did it in such a nice manner you didn't even feel embarrassed by the score.
     

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