Can the Asuncion's on be on world's top 10 mxd doubles?

Anakin_69 · 07-20-2005, 06:28 AM

I think they can bec. they beat the world's number 1(nathan and emms) in the MVP cup but they failed the second and third set.

15-13 14-17 1-15

**ants** · 07-20-2005, 07:39 PM

If they improve on their trainning regiment added with more experience, i give them maybe 2 to 3 years if not shorter to be in the top 10. At least they are doing the right thing now.

**event** · 07-22-2005, 11:47 PM

Originally Posted by ants

If they improve on their trainning regiment added with more experience, i give them maybe 2 to 3 years if not shorter to be in the top 10. At least they are doing the right thing now.

I would love that to happen. It's always great to see new nations come on the scene, especially when it isn't just due to imported players. Although I like seeing the Singapore team doing well, the improvement of the Thai team is more encouraging for international badminton. The Asuncions are another such bright spot.

According to the Athens website, Kennevic is 25 and Kennie is about to turn 23. Is it common for players to come into their own 2 to 3 years after that age? I suppose it may be. Especially in a case like the Philippines where you can bet they would get bumped off the team by young upstarts as can happen to 25-year-old Chinese players.

I realize that there are lots of 28-year-olds who are at or near the top these days but those like Robertson, Emms, Widianto, Tri Kush, Candra, Sigit, Eriksen, and Lundgaard-Hansen have been near the top for years now. Maybe Flandi Limpele(31), Eng Hian(28) or Sairul (I don't know how old he is but I heard he was making some kind of a comeback) could be exceptions but they were crowded off extremely strong teams.

**Shawn Ignacio** · 07-23-2005, 02:58 AM

Originally Posted by Anakin_69

I think they can bec. they beat the world's number 1(nathan and emms) in the MVP cup but they failed the second and third set.

15-13 14-17 1-15

There performance is great. For me Kennie is alot better than her brother Vic because I saw her beating his brother in the singles.Kennie is ranked 114 in ladies singles and kennevic is 98, playing together they are ranked 24 in mixed doubles.( How amazing is that!)Maybe 2 or 3 years, they are in the top 10.

**event** · 07-23-2005, 08:54 AM

Originally Posted by event

... Especially in a case like the Philippines where you can bet they would get bumped off the team by young upstarts as can happen to 25-year-old Chinese players. ...

Correction. I meant to say that you can bet the Asuncions would NOT get bumped off the team.

**Mt. Apo** · 07-25-2005, 01:56 AM

Let's see if their ranking will improve after WC next month.

**Loh** · 07-25-2005, 02:19 AM

They will get there faster if they are exposed to more international tornaments. I hardly see their names in IBF events. Another option is to get them good sparring partners. I'm afraid they will have to look outside for help since nobody at home is quite up to their standards.

**ants** · 07-25-2005, 02:34 AM

Originally Posted by Loh

They will get there faster if they are exposed to more international tornaments. I hardly see their names in IBF events. Another option is to get them good sparring partners. I'm afraid they will have to look outside for help since nobody at home is quite up to their standards.

They do have some indonesian sparring partners. Minarti Timur and Rudi Wijaya is one of them. Their team sponsors hired them to train and spar with them. Besides that the pairs also go for overseas stint in Korea and China as well. They do go for IBF internatinal events. However lack of funds prevented them to go full force in all the Events. But i think situation is getting better for both of them now.

**cappy75** · 07-25-2005, 02:40 AM

Observing just from one game? If she could beat her brother consistently then she's the better one.

Originally Posted by Shawn Ignacio

There performance is great. For me Kennie is alot better than her brother Vic because I saw her beating his brother in the singles.Kennie is ranked 114 in ladies singles and kennevic is 98, playing together they are ranked 24 in mixed doubles.( How amazing is that!)Maybe 2 or 3 years, they are in the top 10.

**ants** · 07-25-2005, 02:43 AM

Originally Posted by Shawn Ignacio

There performance is great. For me Kennie is alot better than her brother Vic because I saw her beating his brother in the singles.Kennie is ranked 114 in ladies singles and kennevic is 98, playing together they are ranked 24 in mixed doubles.( How amazing is that!)Maybe 2 or 3 years, they are in the top 10.

When was that? Years ago? I definately don't think that Kennie can beat Vic in singles now.

**Shawn Ignacio** · 07-25-2005, 07:52 AM

Originally Posted by ants

When was that? Years ago? I definately don't think that Kennie can beat Vic in singles now.

They are just playing after their training,last summer vacation 2004.

**Roydy** · 08-21-2005, 12:18 PM

I'm sorry but I really don't see why winning the first set 15-13 is such a big deal. Even the top ranked players lose a set once in a while. In this case, I really think Nathan Robertson and Gail Emms were very gracious guests in the Phils during the MVP Cup (you can come up with whatever conclusion you have about that too).

Bluntly, winning the first set 15-13 is an understatement when you lose the last set at 1-15.

Today, I was watching the awarding of the medals for the WD at the WC and this white guy was talking about how the US will NOT be ready to reach WC levels in a long time (please take note that Tony Gunawan and Howard Bach are not natural born Americans). I love my country but I think I'd rather be realistic and accept the fact that we will need a lot more time and effort before a Filipino does reach top ranks.

I support the Asuncion siblings and I have nothing against them. I hope they do get to the top ranks but until then, let's not get blown away.

I guess I've just gotten tired of "they won the first set 15-13." It takes at least 2 sets to win a match!!! However, when they do win those 2 sets and they get to the top 10, I'll be cheering them on.

**taneepak** · 08-22-2005, 01:12 AM

Sometimes it is good to have a reality check once in a while, otherwise we lose our heads in the clouds.

**aquaboi** · 08-22-2005, 03:28 AM

Originally Posted by Anakin_69

I think they can bec. they beat the world's number 1(nathan and emms) in the MVP cup but they failed the second and third set.

15-13 14-17 1-15

if they always play better than they played in the first set you are talking about then maybe they will....but if they're inconsistent and play like the third set...no chance....i do hope that the situation for the badminton team in the phils changes....they're getting way too little support from what i see....

oh, it's always nice to see the phils compete internationally....not just in badminton...

**Loh** · 08-22-2005, 05:37 AM

Originally Posted by aquaboi

if they always play better than they played in the first set you are talking about then maybe they will....but if they're inconsistent and play like the third set...no chance....i do hope that the situation for the badminton team in the phils changes....they're getting way too little support from what i see....

oh, it's always nice to see the phils compete internationally....not just in badminton...

You certainly need more than just the Asuncions to raise the standard of the game in the Philippines. To start off with, you have too small a base of talented players, just like Singapore. It seems you now have the hardware, but equally, if not more important, is that you need the software - good coaches (in this case, foreign coaches), an infrastructure of good offcials and administrators, etc and this takes time to develop!

Yes you need money too, to help you achieve your goals.

**levis** · 08-22-2005, 06:24 AM

Originally Posted by Loh

You certainly need more than just the Asuncions to raise the standard of the game in the Philippines. To start off with, you have too small a base of talented players, just like Singapore. It seems you now have the hardware, but equally, if not more important, is that you need the software - good coaches (in this case, foreign coaches), an infrastructure of good offcials and administrators, etc and this takes time to develop!

Yes you need money too, to help you achieve your goals.

Very good observation Loh... Hopefully the Philippines can come up with, find funding, and implement a program that will eventually produce a LOT of TOP caliber players that can compete at the highest level among the world's best

**Mt. Apo** · 08-22-2005, 07:51 PM

Originally Posted by Loh

You certainly need more than just the Asuncions to raise the standard of the game in the Philippines. To start off with, you have too small a base of talented players, just like Singapore. It seems you now have the hardware, but equally, if not more important, is that you need the software - good coaches (in this case, foreign coaches), an infrastructure of good offcials and administrators, etc and this takes time to develop!

Yes you need money too, to help you achieve your goals.

I agree with you. We have to consider also that Badminton was just popular in the Philipines 2 to 3 years ago and I guess only those times that sports institutions in the country implemented serious programs for badminton.

For now, I'm happy for the effort of the Asuncions. Indeed they are not in top 10 of the world but reaching last 16 in 2005 WC is something already considering the history of badminton in the Philippines. We should be proud of this!

Yes, we need money to develop world class players. Thus, we need private sectors to get into the sports, as we all knew that Filipino atlhetes are not getting enough support from the Government.

My two cents...