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    Default Is serving an advantage in badminton?

    Whilst discussing the importance of serving in sports recently someone declared

    In Volleyball only 20-25% of points are won on serve
    Which got me thinking.

    Whats it like for badminton?

    I don't have any statistics or data to come up with percentages but this is my opinion;
    (overall, at professional level, not thinking about someone particularly good or poor at serving)


    MS A small advantage to the server
    WS Neutral
    MD Disadvantage when serving
    WD Slight disadvantage when serving
    XD;
    Woman Serving to Woman = Slight Disadvantage
    Woman Serving to man = Disadvantage
    Man Serving to Woman = Disadvantage
    Man Serving to Man = Significant Disadvantage


    Would be interested to hear other peoples thoughts on this.

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    Without some serious data mining everything is speculation. However, I speculate contrary to you! I think serving is always an advantage (all things being equal).

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    At professional level, across the board, I fail to see how serving in doubles can be an advantage.

    Firstly you have the stringent rules and then players are so good at returning a low serve or smashing down a flick.

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    I have to say that serving is an advantage in any category. Any time you have the ability to have the shuttle in your hand is an advantage.

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    serving is an advantage in the old scoring system because you get the points

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    Serving is part of the game, there is nothing you can do about it. Talking about unfair, pitchers in baseball have an advantage over batters, a 30% hitting average is considering excellent for baseball batters. Athletics are trained to overcome obstacles, there is nothing to gain by over analyzing the game unless one has a better solution.

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    One can also think of it this way. If serving is a disadvantage, and the pros would certainly know if it is, the player(s) leading by several points and just give up the serve by faulting on purpose. Serving is not a disadvantage because I don't recall seeing players giving up the serve in order to receive in all the times I've watched online.

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    Depends who you serve like...

    If you serve like Lim KimWah or Cheng WenHsing, then yes it's a seriously significant disadvantage.

    If you serve like LYD or Ahsan, then you're fine.

    Moral of the story :
    the serve (and return) is crucially important to both the server and the receiver.
    Last edited by visor; 08-18-2014 at 11:05 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mater View Post
    One can also think of it this way. If serving is a disadvantage, and the pros would certainly know if it is, the player(s) leading by several points and just give up the serve by faulting on purpose. Serving is not a disadvantage because I don't recall seeing players giving up the serve in order to receive in all the times I've watched online.
    wtf
    some posting in this forum are so excellent and then there are those like the quoted one...

    why on earth would anyone give the opponent the point for free?! how on earth do you come to that thought

    im shaking my head..i really dont get your thinking AT ALL


    back to topic:

    like the OP i wonder if it is an disadvantage to serve, but rather for my own level of play for when i win the "cointoss"
    these days i will NOT take the serve if the side doesnt matter..

    ppl i play with mostly just throw the ball to the cointoss winner and then are totally puzzled when i throw them the shuttle back because i dont want to start serving...at my level in doubles its clearly an advantage to return (at least when youre decently aggressive)
    however it seems like im the only one thinking (or noticing?) it because as i said usually everyone wants to start serving...(just to make an error or get it killed back when too high lol)

    i also like to receive first in singles..

    but that may change over time
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    I played a lot of MD, and I must say, if your serve is good enough (not too high, falls down near the white line, force your opponent to lift) then it is an advantage for the server side. because once the receiver lift, the server side will smash the lift (IMO, very big advantage unless your opponents are defensive type)
    you can also trick your opponent, if they are adjusted to your short serve, then do flick serve, they will not gonna expect it and it will be an easy point for your side

    I will take the serve any time since if I have a reliable partner, it is just a matter of, serve, lift, smash, return, smash, return, smash, win
    or smash, return, smash, return, smash hits the net
    or serve, net, net, lift or serve, net, net, net, lift
    or, serve win

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    Quote Originally Posted by OhSearsTower View Post
    wtf
    some posting in this forum are so excellent and then there are those like the quoted one...

    why on earth would anyone give the opponent the point for free?! how on earth do you come to that thought

    im shaking my head..i really dont get your thinking AT ALL

    I think you mis-interpret my post. I'm basically saying serving IS NOT a disadvantage.

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    First thing to note is that the badminton serve is a defensive stroke, unlike tennis, as it is struck underhand, below "waist" level. It has also to clear the net. We have seen even world class players self-destruct with their serves before the rally begins. In that sense it is a disadvantage.

    And most receivers will take the opportunity to pounce at the net to put the shuttle down if it comes any higher than the tape. An easy way to score a point unless the other side is alert.

    But an intelligent and skilful server will try his best to just clear the tape to make sure that the shuttle immediately travels downward thereafter yet not falling short of the short service line and not allowing the receiver to attack it. The server can also vary his serve by not serving at the same spot and can also score with an occasional flick serve to surprise the receiver.

    So in the end, it depends on how good the server is. And also how good is the receiver.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mater View Post
    One can also think of it this way. If serving is a disadvantage, and the pros would certainly know if it is, the player(s) leading by several points and just give up the serve by faulting on purpose. Serving is not a disadvantage because I don't recall seeing players giving up the serve in order to receive in all the times I've watched online.
    thats a ridculous statement. You don't just 'give up the serve' because then you lose THE POINT as well! duh...

    If they're leading by a few points then clearly serving is not a significat disadvantage to them in the first place. Non of your post makes any sense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mater View Post
    I think you mis-interpret my post. I'm basically saying serving IS NOT a disadvantage.
    but your premise is crazy faulty, therefore the inference is meaningless

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    Thank you for the replies so far.

    I suppose I should have titled the thread 'is serving an advantage at professional level' or something similar because it would appear people are reading the thread title but not the actual post. Would appreciate it if a Mod could edit it. My mistake, sorry.

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    maybe ppl read it and still think about their own (non professional) situation because its more interesting..

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    To the OP, there's advantage in serving in MD. It all boils down on factors such as:
    . How well u know the opponents
    . The way the opponents hold their rackets to receive ur serve
    . The opponents' position to receive the serve
    . How consistent is ur serving n its placement
    . How much risk u r willing to take
    . How deceptive can u b

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