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    Quote Originally Posted by Chai View Post
    I watched on TV the Thomas Cup game between Malaysia and Indonesia. Malaysia won the cup and yes Rudy Hartona (possible 18 years at that time) won his singles games against Tan Aik Huang and Yew Cheng Ho.

    I watched on TV the All England final when Rudy Hartono beat Tan Aik Huang in the final.

    I have been searching for the above games for a very long time as it aspired me to play badminton when I was a kid, and I want to show them to my 10 year old son as he has now started to play badminton seriously.

    By the way, my idol at that time is not Rudy Hartono but Tan Aik Huang, always mesmering by his stroke plays.
    I was devastated when Aik Huang lost to Rudy in that Thomas Cup. Aik Huang told Aik Mong (his bro, my school captain) that Rudy was very hard to play against - he said Rudy was so fit and it was almost impossible to beat the guy. I mean, coming from Aik Huang (who won the 1966 AE before then), the stroke specialist, it was perhaps the biggest compliment to Rudy.

    Rudy is really a champ of all times.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nievk8701 View Post
    try veoh tv, u can download a lot of classic match easily.
    rudy vs gunalan (1974 ae final), tang xian hu, tjun tjun, prakash pradukone vs lim siew king, misbun sidek, n many many more !!

    Quote Originally Posted by govalley View Post
    Those are videos which were originally uploaded by me in VEOH.
    http://www.veoh.com/channels/badmintonvideos

    Those videos were given to me courtesy of bbn.
    I will try to see if he has more of such videos that he can send me.

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    so who is better now .....

    Lin Dan or Rudy Hartono ?

    Tough question...

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    Quote Originally Posted by julianng View Post
    so who is better now .....

    Lin Dan or Rudy Hartono ?

    Tough question...
    Silly question. Definitely the former.

    Remember Rudy Hartono came from the prehistoric era when only Indonesian, Chinese and Danish players know how to hold a racquet properly.

    His opponents were limited because they too are the only ones who know how to play badminton. Svend Pri and Lieam Swie King.

    When China entered the Thomas Cup scene, he was beaten soundly by Luan Jin.

    Should he clash with Morten Frost, Yang Yang and Zhao Jianhua? I am sure his record will be stained with defeats.

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    Results comparison:

    World Championship: Lin Dan 4:1 Hartono

    Asian Games: Lin Dan 1:0 Hartono (I heard he chickened out because there were Chinese competing in that tournament)

    Olympics: Lin Dan 2:1 Hartono (He won one when badminton was a demo sport)

    All England: Lin Dan 5:8 Hartono (not a reliable metric because Hartono was not in an Open Era)

    Thomas Cup: Lin Dan 5:4 Hartono (Lin Dan is undefeated in five successive finals while Hartono finally lost his last final match against Luan Jin)

    It's obvious Lin Dan is better by a mile when badminton today is so competitive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Baizhen View Post
    Results comparison:

    World Championship: Lin Dan 4:1 Hartono

    Asian Games: Lin Dan 1:0 Hartono (I heard he chickened out because there were Chinese competing in that tournament)

    Olympics: Lin Dan 2:1 Hartono (He won one when badminton was a demo sport)

    All England: Lin Dan 5:8 Hartono (not a reliable metric because Hartono was not in an Open Era)

    Thomas Cup: Lin Dan 5:4 Hartono (Lin Dan is undefeated in five successive finals while Hartono finally lost his last final match against Luan Jin)

    It's obvious Lin Dan is better by a mile when badminton today is so competitive.
    one of the pointless post if i ever seen one

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    Quote Originally Posted by AlanY View Post
    one of the pointless post if i ever seen one
    I'm wondering why there are so many LD fan boys here
    well, it is his golden era


    but no one should compare Rudy Hartono and LD

    they are from two different era

    Rudy played on the era of oldies
    the racket is very2 heavy, it is still in 100+ gram
    old scoring system

    each to their own
    if someone ever trying to compare these two especially by their record
    I feel that they are trying too hard to troll people
    it is very very pointless

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    I'm pretty sure there are not many BCers who were around during the Rudy Hartono era, so it's not fair if we compared/judged him against one of the best players around today just based on statistics that we have today alone.

    We should ask people who are from Hartono's generation and ask them to compare him to LD and see what they say.

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    Quote Originally Posted by julianng View Post
    so who is better now .....

    Lin Dan or Rudy Hartono ?

    Tough question...
    You know to expect pointless debate on this post...anyway, rather than saying who is better, perhaps we can debate who is more fearsome looking and what is common between RH and LD, and for that, I say:
    LD is by far the most fearsome looking player of late, he glared at LCW like a gangster with goatee and tattoo, from SuperDan to Gangster Big Bro Lin
    Common between RH and LD, I thnk RH is a christian and LD with that humougous 'T' tattoo on his arm, err...he is a Christian I think

    Quote Originally Posted by Avenger View Post
    I'm wondering why there are so many LD fan boys here
    well, it is his golden era


    but no one should compare Rudy Hartono and LD

    they are from two different era

    Rudy played on the era of oldies
    the racket is very2 heavy, it is still in 100+ gram
    old scoring system

    each to their own
    if someone ever trying to compare these two especially by their record
    I feel that they are trying too hard to troll people
    it is very very pointless
    So many LD fan boys here...well, everyone jump on the band wagon and soon LD will lead them to follow Christ
    correction...'the racket is very2 heavy, it is still in 100+ gram' should be more like 'couple of pounds' and try doing backhand on those wooden racket thingie and you get a sore arm

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    although ppl say is different era, but it is possible to determine who is the better player.
    bcos what can be measured is achievements and dominance over their closest rivals.

    in both cases, rudy hartono pales in comparison with LIN DAN. the indon's victories were achieved where the standard is low.
    it is just like u playing with the ppl who stays in the same street.

    whereas LIN DAN's achievement is in the ultimate sports arena, the OLYMPICS.
    this is also not to mention the total dominance over lcw.

    rudy hartono can never be compared with LIN DAN.
    on today's terms, he is on par with hafiz hashim or kenichi tago.

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    Quote Originally Posted by X Ball View Post
    I was devastated when Aik Huang lost to Rudy in that Thomas Cup. Aik Huang told Aik Mong (his bro, my school captain) that Rudy was very hard to play against - he said Rudy was so fit and it was almost impossible to beat the guy. I mean, coming from Aik Huang (who won the 1966 AE before then), the stroke specialist, it was perhaps the biggest compliment to Rudy. Rudy is really a champ of all times.
    Rudy was not the true champion. He was really affraid to the old giants Tang Xianhu and Hou Jiachang. For Rudy, it was far better to hide in Jakarta than to compete in 1974 Asian Games and slaughtered by Tang or eventual winner Hou Jiachang

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    Quote Originally Posted by julianng View Post
    I'm pretty sure there are not many BCers who were around during the Rudy Hartono era, so it's not fair if we compared/judged him against one of the best players around today just based on statistics that we have today alone.We should ask people who are from Hartono's generation and ask them to compare him to LD and see what they say.
    Rudy always hiding the old giants TXH (8 years older than Rudy) or HJC whom are 6 years older. Why ? Bcoz Rudy knows he was not in the same level with Tang & Hou

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    All England in Rudy's era can be graded as SEA Games competition, bcoz no China players in there. When China players can participate in Asian Games, then where is Rudy ? Hide in Jkt, eventhough he never won Asian Games Gold Medal. Surely, "SEA Games" champion was not as great as Asian Games champion.

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    I have watched Rudy play since he was 17 years of age. I had considered Rudy to be a cut above all the other players of his time. But that was when badminton was of a very low standard.
    By today's standard, Rudy at his peak would not be able to get more than 5 points from the top 10 players of today. That is how far the standard has advanced.
    Some older people may not agree with me because of an emotional attachment to the glory days of the past. But if badminton today has players in Rudy's class then, the game will die.

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    Quote Originally Posted by taneepak View Post
    I have watched Rudy play since he was 17 years of age. I had considered Rudy to be a cut above all the other players of his time. But that was when badminton was of a very low standard.
    By today's standard, Rudy at his peak would not be able to get more than 5 points from the top 10 players of today. That is how far the standard has advanced.
    Some older people may not agree with me because of an emotional attachment to the glory days of the past. But if badminton today has players in Rudy's class then, the game will die.
    Good to see a 17 year old during Rudy Hartono's days post. But have you tried playing with a racquet from Rudy hartono's era ? It's very very heavy. I played with one before and my hand hurts only after few backhands. Who knows if Rudy or players from then had today's racquets , they could have played differently. Or if they had lighter racquets during his time, a different person than Rudy Hartono would have excelled in badminton.

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    I have no doubt that past champions like Rudi Hartono with their standards will definetely outclassed by todays Top players. But let's see like this.
    There was a great runner named Jessy Owens who won 4 Gold medals in single olympics back in Berlin 1938 and that make him a trully Legend in Olympic and Tracks history all the time. When he won his 100 meters Gold his time was 10.3 seconds. Then there is a runner from Indonesia -a nation with no mark in the Map of international athletic competition- named Suryo Agung Wibowo who hold national and south east asian record with his time 10.17 seconds. So based on their record it's definetely that Suryo Agung has better time than Jesse Owens. Can we then conclude that Suryo Agung is a better athlete then Jesse Owens ??? Or in other way can we say that Jesse Owens achievement was a fake ??

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    sorry i mean Jessy Owens wins 4 gold medals was in 1936

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