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    Best of luck to them in London!

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    what is cai and fu's plan after the olympic ??
    anyone know ?? become coach or keep playing ??

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    Quote Originally Posted by fathonezic View Post
    what is cai and fu's plan after the olympic ??
    anyone know ?? become coach or keep playing ??
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    This is the cover of badminton magzine Jan., 2012. The title "风云有约:伦敦不是绝唱" means they will keep playing after OG.

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    Glad to hear it...They are still playing after 2012 OG.. Cool...

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    wah, that's good....
    the world of badminton will be still in high standard

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    It is an extremely uphill task for them to win it because any pair can beat as easily as how they beat the other pair...

    It's 50-50 chance for them in every match...i hope they change and improve their tactics rather than going for the power play all the time...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Miqilin7 View Post
    It's 50-50 chance for them in every match...i hope they change and improve their tactics rather than going for the power play all the time...
    Are you talking about playing LYD and JJS, because they sure do get into a lot of finals for 50/50 odds in any giving match?

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    Quote Originally Posted by V1lau View Post
    Are you talking about playing LYD and JJS, because they sure do get into a lot of finals for 50/50 odds in any giving match?
    Dont rate their chances based on number of appearances. You judge them with their matches against many opponents.. i notice they do struggle a lot especially against Malaysia and Indonesia pairs. the difference is they have more experience and nerve to handle tight matches..

    Jung/Lee are different. At their best and when Jung Jae Sung wasnt injured like back in Korea Open 2012, they were unbeatable..no pair at the moment can take a set from them...only the Chinese could. In contrast, Cai/Fu struggled quite a lot against many pairs....check their recent matches.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Miqilin7 View Post
    Dont rate their chances based on number of appearances. You judge them with their matches against many opponents.. i notice they do struggle a lot especially against Malaysia and Indonesia pairs. the difference is they have more experience and nerve to handle tight matches..

    Jung/Lee are different. At their best and when Jung Jae Sung wasnt injured like back in Korea Open 2012, they were unbeatable..no pair at the moment can take a set from them...only the Chinese could. In contrast, Cai/Fu struggled quite a lot against many pairs....check their recent matches.
    To add on that, i will say Jung and Lee stand a better chance of winning the Gold unless my Jinx theory applied to Koreans as well hahaha.

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    Of course I'm going to use their number of appearances in the final to influence my opinion in regards to their chances of winning. It clearly shows us that they have been consistently better than 50/50, even if it was just experience and nerves, which i do not agree is the case. You don't have to fix, what isn"t broken!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Miqilin7 View Post
    Dont rate their chances based on number of appearances. You judge them with their matches against many opponents.. i notice they do struggle a lot especially against Malaysia and Indonesia pairs. the difference is they have more experience and nerve to handle tight matches..

    Jung/Lee are different. At their best and when Jung Jae Sung wasnt injured like back in Korea Open 2012, they were unbeatable..no pair at the moment can take a set from them...only the Chinese could. In contrast, Cai/Fu struggled quite a lot against many pairs....check their recent matches.
    That's a load of crap. JJS/LYD have not won a single World Championship, even though they were in top condition for more than one. JJS's shoulder injury was nearly completely gone in the KO, or he wouldn't have smashed so much and so hard. He was probably not in peak condition, but neither was FHF - just take a look at his right knee....and he even finished with CY's racket when his ran out

    And why should we not rate their chances on number of appearances?? They haven't struggled with any Malaysian pair for the last year, and no Indonesian pair was able to beat them. The only dangerous one is Septano/Ahsan, and they really don't stand a chance...the only pairs able to beat CY/FHF with any kind of consistency are Boe/Mogensen, JJS/LYD and Setiawan/Kido, and the last have grown old and in Kido's case even fatter. Those three pairs have a net player who can take on CY, which is the key to beating them. No other pair in the world has that kind of player.
    And they probably lost a few games in earlier rounds because they didn't feel the need to go all out and got surprised...happens to many players when playing someone who is on a much lower level.


    I'm not saying CY/FHF are the strongest pair in the world or should win the OG easily, but it's really stupid to say they have about 50/50 chances against any pair.

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    Great to hear that they're going to continue, they're my favorite pair to watch. I think that they, like Lin Dan, are able to raise their game when the really big occasion comes, that's why they're 4 times world chmapions. That's why to me, they are the slight favorites for London 2012.

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    Quote Originally Posted by j4ckie View Post
    That's a load of crap. JJS/LYD have not won a single World Championship, even though they were in top condition for more than one. JJS's shoulder injury was nearly completely gone in the KO, or he wouldn't have smashed so much and so hard. He was probably not in peak condition, but neither was FHF - just take a look at his right knee....and he even finished with CY's racket when his ran out

    And why should we not rate their chances on number of appearances?? They haven't struggled with any Malaysian pair for the last year, and no Indonesian pair was able to beat them. The only dangerous one is Septano/Ahsan, and they really don't stand a chance...the only pairs able to beat CY/FHF with any kind of consistency are Boe/Mogensen, JJS/LYD and Setiawan/Kido, and the last have grown old and in Kido's case even fatter. Those three pairs have a net player who can take on CY, which is the key to beating them. No other pair in the world has that kind of player.
    And they probably lost a few games in earlier rounds because they didn't feel the need to go all out and got surprised...happens to many players when playing someone who is on a much lower level.


    I'm not saying CY/FHF are the strongest pair in the world or should win the OG easily, but it's really stupid to say they have about 50/50 chances against any pair.
    Kido and Setiawan have failed to qualify for the Olympics and defend their title..which is really shameful bow out from the world of badminton...I expect nothing less from them since they are only 27ish.

    Among the top pairs currently, I can see Cai Yun and Fu Haifeng are the most vulnerable one against upsets. If you have good net player like you said and decent defense, chances of you beating Cai/Fu is higher. Malaysian pair nearly beat them in a thriller game last time they met but they lost because they have Koo Kien Keat who only cares about being an entertainer rather than winner.

    What i am saying is simply to beat Cai/Fu isnt easy but is not impossible. Compared to Jung/Lee, Jung and Lee are the hardest to beat....you cant smash for points...you gotta deploy clever tactics and not just rely on power play to win. Their defense is too hard to break coupled with Lee Yong dae's creativity in angular deflections.

    Hendra Setiawan can beat them at his best...unfortunately we wont get to see them in action this time.. the other tactic is to play dirty and mind games like Boe and Mogensen, that's the way to break their rhythm and score cheap points despite being unethical.

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    Having said that, talk is cheap and easy. We will see how they fare in their third Olympic outing..

    Of course I hope they could win but somehow i feel they need to further develop their game and update their strategy. When I watch their game in despair against Lee/Jung and on the losing end, i notice they do not have any contingency plan/tactic to cover their shortcomings...

    When they are stuck and clueless about their next move to beat their opponent who can return any shot they deliver, they tend to lose the momentum and give up the match..I have seen it many times when they did that especially against Lee/Jung..my concern is when other pairs are able to up their game and truly test Cai/Fu, what are they going to do if their current tactic fails ? That would be an interesting part of MD.

    Remember the Olympic 2008, Cai/Fu entered the final with no strategy or contingency plan AT ALL. that's why they failed to win the gold..not because Kido and Setiawan were the better pair, because they figured out how to play against Cai/Fu and executed their plan really well to perfection. That's why they lost.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Miqilin7 View Post

    Among the top pairs currently, I can see Cai Yun and Fu Haifeng are the most vulnerable one against upsets. If you have good net player like you said and decent defense, chances of you beating Cai/Fu is higher. What i am saying is simply to beat Cai/Fu isnt easy but is not impossible. Compared to Jung/Lee,
    If you just said the above, I might have agreed or probably wouldn't even have commented, but you said their chance of winning a given match are 50/50! You also told me not to look at their record in determining their chances of winning, but rely on your perception of how they are performing on the court. I think I will give more weight to their record, than to your assessment.

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    Fu's given game is wind. Why Cai is cloud?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Qidong View Post
    Fu's given game is wind. Why Cai is cloud?
    Cai Yun , Yun name on Chinese character means Cloud..
    If you are asking, why there is Yun after Cai Surname, i think you should ask CY directly or ask CY parents...

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