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Thread: malaysian Ladies badminton
11-11-2005, 11:49 AM #35Originally Posted by weeyet
And i agree abt the yuan yufang comment... i guess we r just too proud to take in outside players. malaysia boleh mah..
11-11-2005, 11:57 AM #36Originally Posted by fishnet wen*yi
11-11-2005, 12:02 PM #37Originally Posted by kienkeatlover
Haha, I will certainly prefer the latter.
11-12-2005, 03:32 AM #38Originally Posted by twdc08
11-12-2005, 03:52 AM #39
this pic is of wong mew choo and julia wong quite sum time ago... i hav a pic of lydia too but in another thread... junior players thread i think...
Last edited by fishnet wen*yi; 11-12-2005 at 03:56 AM.
11-12-2005, 04:32 AM #40
that's not w.mew choo...
its how chiou hwee(sp...)
11-12-2005, 11:19 AM #41
Why Malaysia cannot produce good women players?
In Malaysia, Malay is the majority race (66%), Chinese (23%), Indian (9%) and the rest (2%).
Malay all are muslim, and in Malaysia muslim girls cannot wear short pants/shirt at anytime. So how are they going to play in sports? Can you wear long pants, long gown & scraf playing badminton?
How are you going to expect If just depends on the 23% of chinese and the others race?
11-12-2005, 03:25 PM #42
There was a thread earlier about the women badminton players from Iran, and how they have to be fully covered while playing badminton. It's too bad Muslim women aren't encouraged to play sports... i think that's why there's such a big skill gap between the men and women players in Indonesia and Malaysia.
11-13-2005, 09:27 AM #43Originally Posted by alloh
11-14-2005, 03:19 AM #44Originally Posted by verve_pipe
11-14-2005, 04:44 AM #45Originally Posted by alloh
And I might also add that in predominantly Muslim Indonesia, the girls are not doing too badly in international badminton although relative to their male counterpart's performance, they are miles apart.
But I guess it has also to do with the general picture that fewer women participate in sports than men worldwide. Women have a more limited 'active' sporting career in the sense that they have to think of starting a family earlier and having to raise children.
Last edited by Loh; 11-14-2005 at 04:55 AM.
11-14-2005, 07:15 AM #46Originally Posted by Loh
As for Indonesia, it's a huge country and something like 20% of the country isn't Muslim so even if that influence was as strong as Alloh suggests, you're still looking at a talent pool in Indonesia of 40 million (20 million women). That's almost as many non-Muslim girls as Uber Cup runner-up Korea has. Many of the women that I see representing Indonesia seem to be Christian or otherwise non-Muslim: Susi Susanti, Lilyana. Ratnasari and Yulianti has Catholic-sounding names. And none of this proves that there is an actual exclusion. Finding a true champion is so random at the best of times. And so many kids are excluded from the talent pool by reason of geography or economics or preferences for other sports or other activities.
Loh makes a good point, too, that this particular reason is just a slightly more visible one among the numerous obstacles to women's participation in sport. Look at the difference in prize money at some competitions or look at how long it took for women's professional sports leagues to take off in a huge market like the U.S. I remember a marathon in Korea here one year where the prize money for first place was US$70,000 for the top man and US$5000 for the top woman. As justification for these types of prize money decisions one often hears that women don't draw as many spectators or that they don't beat as many competitors. These have a chicken-or-egg ring to them because you can reason that you only draw more competitors by offering more prize money. These rationalizations are vaguely similar to decisions described here by organizations like BAM not to bank on women competitors.
11-17-2005, 05:16 AM #47
"Sport" or "Game"
[QUOTE=event] Bowling is a game, not a sport.
Was the Sidek sister who was on the national team Muslim?
A very interesting definition you have brought up on bowling as a game and NOT a sport. I remember I once tried to differentiate between these two words and found difficulty trying to compartmentalize all the sporting or athletic activities into either one or the other.
But most would agree for example that 'swimming' is a sport, so are 'shooting', 'gymnastics', 'diving', 'dancing', 'sailing', and 'athletics'. I agree with you that bowling seems more appropriately defined as a game, though.
Then also, why are badminton, tennis, table-tennis, basketball, soccer, hockey, water-polo, baseball, netball, golf, chess known as games. Is it for historical reasons?
But what exactly is the true meaning of sport and game? Though both are somewhat related, yet they are not really the same. How do we differentiate the two? So could you shed some light?
As defined by my Concise Oxford Dictionary:
1. An activity involving physical exertion and skill in which an individual or team competes against another or others for entertainment.
1. An activity engaged in for amusement.
2. A form of competitive activity or sport played according to rules.
As for whether Sidek's sister is a Muslim, I would think so as a child from Muslim parents is a Muslim by birth. I think the religion also requires a non-Muslim married to a Muslim to be converted to a Muslim. Maybe someone can enlighten better.
11-17-2005, 09:10 AM #48Originally Posted by Loh
As for game, the idea of keeping score makes that a category of which part of the activities involved with many sports are a subset. Hence the need for terms like "game, set,..." in our sister sport of tennis. Some sports, like badminton, deal with games while others, like cycling or diving, do not.
As for Zamaliah Sidek, I thought she might qualify as an exception to Alloh's rule but was unwilling to jump to conclusions about her religion. Although I admit the conclusion might have been pretty obvious, there are people who change their beliefs and I wasn't about to make assumptions about someone I know nothing about.
Last edited by event; 11-17-2005 at 09:16 AM.
11-17-2005, 09:41 AM #49Originally Posted by event
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