Lets vote for New or Old point system.

[taneepak]

LOL! You are all mixed-up.

Playing an old system becomes second nature, almost without being conscious of it. Changing to a new system unravels some of these taken for granted automatic movements, because, heck, you have to start using your brains for a start. And this is good, otherwise you degenerate mentally at an alarming rate! How is that for a new twist?

[DinkAlot]

Playing an old system becomes second nature, almost without being conscious of it. Changing to a new system unravels some of these taken for granted automatic movements, because, heck, you have to start using your brains for a start. And this is good, otherwise you degenerate mentally at an alarming rate! How is that for a new twist?

I'm all for K.I.S.S.

Keep It Simple...Silly.

[taneepak]

How would you rate both the old and new scoring systems on the following :
1. Exciting
2. Not too long
3. Not too short
4. Dramatic
5. Easy to understand
6. Visually attractive
7. Human interest
8. Role models and heros
9. Easy to do

There may be other criteria.

[DinkAlot]

How would you rate both the old and new scoring systems

For me, the current scoring of 15x3 is just fine with one exception in doubles. I wish the service line in doubles would be extended to the singles line. This way the server would have more options and the game would be more exciting.

It would be more exciting because the opponent returning serve would be more apt to lift on a short serve and either clear, drop or smash on a high serve. It would minimize the awkward drive rallies that begin most of the time when serving short in the current system.

[event]

For me, the current scoring of 15x3 is just fine with one exception in doubles. I wish the service line in doubles would be extended to the singles line. This way the server would have more options and the game would be more exciting.

It would be more exciting because the opponent returning serve would be more apt to lift on a short serve and either clear, drop or smash on a high serve. It would minimize the awkward drive rallies that begin most of the time when serving short in the current system.

It would also lessen the impetus to cheat on the short serves in terms of height and angle.

[DinkAlot]

It would also lessen the impetus to cheat on the short serves in terms of height and angle.

Yes, great point, I forgot to mention that. It would basically be a non-factor.

[taneepak]

BTW the new scoring system of 3x21 points is applicable to MS MD, WS WD, and XD. You cannot get any simpler than that. One size fits all. It is the same with table tennis with its 7x11 points for ms, md, ws, wd, xd. I am flooded with almost daily table tennis coverage but none on badminton. I have a feeling that the new system is geared specifically for TV.

[taneepak]

For me, the current scoring of 15x3 is just fine with one exception in doubles. I wish the service line in doubles would be extended to the singles line. This way the server would have more options and the game would be more exciting.

It would be more exciting because the opponent returning serve would be more apt to lift on a short serve and either clear, drop or smash on a high serve. It would minimize the awkward drive rallies that begin most of the time when serving short in the current system.

But that would make the doubles game more like singles.

[DinkAlot]

But that would make the doubles game more like singles.

Try it for 3 months then get back to me.

[cooler]

But that would make the doubles game more like singles.

yes.
under current setup, the server is at a disadvantage compare to the receiver. I rather win the rally and let them serve to me instead and help me win the next point easier

[taneepak]

yes.
under current setup, the server is at a disadvantage compare to the receiver. I rather win the rally and let them serve to me instead and help me win the next point easier

I disagree. I think the serve has an advantage over receiving a serve, because a good serve cannot be attacked and at its best could force a weak return of serve.

[DinkAlot]

I disagree. I think the serve has an advantage over receiving a serve, because a good serve cannot be attacked and at its best could force a weak return of serve.

I disagree. How many servers are going to go for a good server when they know if they miss, they lose a point? If anything, servers will be more conservative.

[CWB001]

I disagree. How many servers are going to go for a good server when they know if they miss, they lose a point? If anything, servers will be more conservative.

I completely agree.

You cannot afford to serve into the net now as you lose a point as well as the serve.

[taneepak]

That is precisely the point-a mistake should be so recognized (or rather punished) and would lose a point. This need for precision will bring out the best in you, for there is no second chance.

[DinkAlot]

That is precisely the point-a mistake should be so recognized (or rather punished) and would lose a point. This need for precision will bring out the best in you, for there is no second chance.

I disagree with this methodology. There's too much at stake on every point. It's not as "fun" nor as entertaining because people are prone to go for less than more.

[wedgewenis]

I disagree with this methodology. There's too much at stake on every point. It's not as "fun" nor as entertaining because people are prone to go for less than more.

Even pro players agree with You Drink.

This evening the world class singles player Kenneth Johansson went on television to openly critisise the new scoring system of 21 up score with serve or not.

His basic claim was that since you can score without the serve it would make for far less interesting shots and hence more boring badminton.

I have to say I must agree with him and I hope more players can write in to the IBF to add their support to this corruption of the game.

As far as I understand it the IBF beleive that badminton now takes far too long to find a winner of a match.

We tried rules similar to this as far back as 1985 in the Cockney classic mixed event. I have to say it was unpleasant and boring to play. Just think - you serve in the net and loose a point - so whats the result ? All serves become long serves and players with the perfect defense will become the winners and attacking players the loosers.

In singles as players make safer shots all the time it would not surprise me if the crowd fall asleep watching.

The problem with all this is that simply because the IBF wants to attract sponsers using shorter matches in elite badminton then the rules change will probably reach all the way down to your little club mixed match. So in time it will affect you if you don't say your peace.

So write to the BA of E and the IBF and let them know what you think regardless of your suppot of these rules or not. Don' let just a few IBF council members decide the fate of your Friday cosy mixed at the church hall.

I heard Lin Dan critisizing this too, forget where.... So now I'm going to say this officially:

- Any pro player who speaks out against this crap gets put on my NeW c00l LisT

- Any player who doesn't is Dead to me.

[MikeJ]

I disagree with this methodology. There's too much at stake on every point. It's not as "fun" nor as entertaining because people are prone to go for less than more.

I agree (with DinkAlot).

Also, it's interesting that two of the best players (Lin Dan and Taufik Hidayat) have expressed their disapproval of the new scoring system.

A friend of mine said that the new scoring system is like "asking a marathon runner to compete in a sprint."