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    Default No Indonesians yet again...

    Just read in Bola that PBSI has decided NOT TO SEND any players for the series of WGP tournaments in Europe, starting from the Bitburger Open in Germany this week. Players was about to hand in their applications for visa late last week when PBSI officials finally said no.

    Its really absurd for them to cancel yet again at the last minute, with reason being money. Its more economical to send the players to the Asian GP rather than Europe. The lack of preparation time and not wanting players who just won the Indo Open to suffer from the pyschological effect of defeat were also listed as reasons. My reaction: bull sh**!!

    The womens are definitely now put a disadvantage.....with low rankings and no opportunities to get match experience abroad... They only have the SEA Games...with no ranking points and likely no medals to hope for.

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    Well, if the issue is really about money, there's nothing much anyone can do about it. Unless other people are willing to come up with the money.

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    Quote Originally Posted by badMania
    Just read in Bola that PBSI has decided NOT TO SEND any players for the series of WGP tournaments in Europe, starting from the Bitburger Open in Germany this week. Players was about to hand in their applications for visa late last week when PBSI officials finally said no.

    Its really absurd for them to cancel yet again at the last minute, with reason being money. Its more economical to send the players to the Asian GP rather than Europe. The lack of preparation time and not wanting players who just won the Indo Open to suffer from the pyschological effect of defeat were also listed as reasons. My reaction: bull sh**!!

    The womens are definitely now put a disadvantage.....with low rankings and no opportunities to get match experience abroad... They only have the SEA Games...with no ranking points and likely no medals to hope for.
    the women will participate in taiwan open 2005, i think hongkong and china open 2005 is better than dutch and denmark open 2005. both are 6 stars tournaments

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    Quote Originally Posted by taufik-ist
    the women will participate in taiwan open 2005, i think hongkong and china open 2005 is better than dutch and denmark open 2005. both are 6 stars tournaments
    There's no guarantee to that! PBSI could always cancel at the last minute as always. Besides, there's no use for the women team to participate in the 6* rated tournaments....some of them will not even get into the main draw given their rankings now (below 30).

    I thought it will be good to send them to the 1* and 2* rated tournaments like Greece and Holland Open (esp the women's doubles). They are capable of at least a semi-final placing, which will boost their ranking up before the Uber Cup.

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    Well, I do not know why PBSI will not send any players to the GP tournaments in Europe. At least Denmark Open is a high enough star. And Dutch Open is very good for the women to earn points and make their rankings higher, since it will be an advantage for the next Uber Cup.
    SEA GAmes is another thing. They always focus on SEA Games. Well, that's also important for the country, but at least they can divide the players, who will go to SEAG and GP Tournaments.
    Points is important since it will affect the seeded of a tournament and if Indo players only have low points, they will always get unlucky draw.

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    Quote Originally Posted by peace
    Well, I do not know why PBSI will not send any players to the GP tournaments in Europe. At least Denmark Open is a high enough star. And Dutch Open is very good for the women to earn points and make their rankings higher, since it will be an advantage for the next Uber Cup.
    SEA GAmes is another thing. They always focus on SEA Games. Well, that's also important for the country, but at least they can divide the players, who will go to SEAG and GP Tournaments.
    Points is important since it will affect the seeded of a tournament and if Indo players only have low points, they will always get unlucky draw.

    becos... europe is far away from indonesia, almost 24 hours travelling, players will get a jetlag

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    If less participation in many tournament, low world ranking.

    Then, when Indonesian player plays in a tournament and 'upset' higher ranking player, the Indonesian press said they did well.
    When they lose, the press will say lack of experience.

    Either way, it will never be bad PBSI management or bad training.

    Time for the Indonesian press to stop this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by taufik-ist
    becos... europe is far away from indonesia, almost 24 hours travelling, players will get a jetlag
    and it costs more money to go to europe, welcome to china open

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    Quote Originally Posted by peace
    Well, I do not know why PBSI will not send any players to the GP tournaments in Europe. At least Denmark Open is a high enough star. And Dutch Open is very good for the women to earn points and make their rankings higher, since it will be an advantage for the next Uber Cup.
    SEA GAmes is another thing. They always focus on SEA Games. Well, that's also important for the country, but at least they can divide the players, who will go to SEAG and GP Tournaments.
    Points is important since it will affect the seeded of a tournament and if Indo players only have low points, they will always get unlucky draw.
    is sea game once a year or two years?

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    Quote Originally Posted by badMania
    There's no guarantee to that! PBSI could always cancel at the last minute as always. Besides, there's no use for the women team to participate in the 6* rated tournaments....some of them will not even get into the main draw given their rankings now (below 30).

    I thought it will be good to send them to the 1* and 2* rated tournaments like Greece and Holland Open (esp the women's doubles). They are capable of at least a semi-final placing, which will boost their ranking up before the Uber Cup.
    i really think it's a good idea, why they don't sent young players to more tournaments , they really need experience

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    Quote Originally Posted by kemana
    is sea game once a year or two years?
    it's a two years once event!

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    Quote Originally Posted by khwong
    it's a two years once event!
    thank you very much !!

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    Quote Originally Posted by peace
    Well, I do not know why PBSI will not send any players to the GP tournaments in Europe. At least Denmark Open is a high enough star. And Dutch Open is very good for the women to earn points and make their rankings higher, since it will be an advantage for the next Uber Cup.
    SEA GAmes is another thing. They always focus on SEA Games. Well, that's also important for the country, but at least they can divide the players, who will go to SEAG and GP Tournaments.
    Points is important since it will affect the seeded of a tournament and if Indo players only have low points, they will always get unlucky draw.
    again!! i agree with Taufik..too far for Indonesia if they have to europe tournamnet..jetlag!! they will not focuse..and like Rudy Hartono says..Indonesia (women) will start to send which is the tournamnet 3 or 4 rankings..like Taiwan or Hongkong Open!!..
    I see that rangking of Indonesian player more higher (www.worldbadminton.net) now, Maria, Firda and Nana round about 36 position after 5...in the few week before..Great!! ( i think that because indonesia open tournament!!)..
    but don't worry..Atu Rosalina will send to Denmark Open!! the one and only from Indonesia (which start to play as qualifier) beside Mia Audina and Tony/Halim which was indonesian player before..

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    Quote Originally Posted by kemana
    is sea game once a year or two years?
    well kemana..indeonesia send Atu Rosalina (jakarta open semifinalist) to the Denamrk Open..
    I think PBSI must prepare for more important event (for Indonesia) like Sea Games, Asian Games, Olympic, and also Uber Cup..
    And the 'ladies' will send to Taiwan and Hongkong open!!..

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    will they take part in sea games??(women player

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    Quote Originally Posted by ffc2002
    well kemana..indeonesia send Atu Rosalina (jakarta open semifinalist) to the Denamrk Open..
    I think PBSI must prepare for more important event (for Indonesia) like Sea Games, Asian Games, Olympic, and also Uber Cup..
    And the 'ladies' will send to Taiwan and Hongkong open!!..
    suprising ! i heard that they won't even send any male players to denmark open, so it suprises me that they will send her to that, haha, good sign

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    Quote Originally Posted by ffc2002
    well kemana..indeonesia send Atu Rosalina (jakarta open semifinalist) to the Denamrk Open..
    I think PBSI must prepare for more important event (for Indonesia) like Sea Games, Asian Games, Olympic, and also Uber Cup..
    And the 'ladies' will send to Taiwan and Hongkong open!!..
    Added Info : Atu Rosalina wasnt in Indonesia National team anymore. So she play Denmark Open with their own money.

    And the reason PBSI didn't had money to send their player is a lie. THey just didn't send any players to Denmark Open probably because our Ace players not in their top form and won't play Denmark Open. Ace players here are Taufik, CHandra/Sigit, Luluk/Alven etc who had chance to become champion in tournaments.

    And they won't send any junior players who didn't had chance become champion or at least semifinal spot cause they just only losing money for PBSI.

    So in other word, if our Ace players didn't play in a 3-5 star tournaments, that mean our JUnior players will not being send either. Cause in PBSI mind, the junior will only lost and wasting PBSI money.

    Wrong!!!!!!! Take a look at Malaysia women. INdonesia women never ever lost to them in 1970 through 2000. Now, we even being beaten in Woman single and doubles by the Malaysian. Not to mention Thailand and Singapore.

    Why? Because Malaysia, Thailand and Singaore always sending their player in top tournaments although they know their layers will lost in first or second round. BUt they will getexperience to play higher level of badminton and now they already can compete with otehr players except probably with the Chinese women.

    So I don't think we will had any good women players in the next 3 -5 years or even 10 years.

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