Hi, I'm interested in getting a new racket for mens doubles. Right now I have an old Ti 3 Titanium Mesh. I am trying to decide between: Armortec 800 Offensive Nanospeed 8000 Nanospeed 7000 MusclePower 99 The only problem is there is no where I can try all of these rackets so I was hoping anyone who has used any of these might be able to shed some light onto their characteristics and feel. Also price matters, typically which one is the most expensive? I might be able to get the Armotec for $250 Canadian. Thanks for your help!
matts: yes, i go there few times, in fact i might be going there today to have a look for which one i would like to buy soon but prices is... at least for me since i have friends in HK to buy stuff for me
Armortec 800 Offensive - Light Nanospeed 8000 - Balanced Nanospeed 7000 - Balanced MusclePower 99 - Heavy
AT-800 OF - Head heavy, powerful offensive hits. A little hard to maneauver for quick hits, stiff. NS-7K - Head light, flexible, all around light racquet, slightly less power, but still good in swings. Fragile(I wouldn't recommend for doubles with partners that clash a lot). NS-8L - Head light, stiffer, light, but stronger than NS-7K. Quick and strong racquet in my opinion. Fragile(Earlier NS racquets have a tendency to break faster and easier with a misshit/clash) MP-99 - Stiff, even balance. All around balanced racquet, good for just about everything in the game, strong anywhere, or not weak anywhere. If you're looking into the AT series, I suggest AT-800 DF more than the OF version. OF is stronger, but harder to recover during shots, and harder to hit with sometimes (in my opinion). AT-800 DF is almost exactly like OF, except different paint job, and more flexible. It is quicker, and delivers only marginally less power than OF version, hard to notice. I consider it a balanced racquet.
Theres a whole bunch of reviews about these rackets in the Equipment Reviews section. Reading them should shed some light on which one to chose.
may, yeah i was looking in the equipment section to get a better idea. but i do appreciate the reponses in this thread!
Midget Boy: excellent post. I concur wholeheartedly with your findings. It was funny because you mentioned the AT800-OF as a bit hard to maneuver and I was like, "No way!" But then I thought about it, relative to the other rackets mentioned, absolutely. But silly me, I was comparing it to the 2U Ti10, which is what I've been using. Then it's very easy to maneuver. But then again, anything is easy to maneuver compared to the Ti10.
Personally, I prefer the MP99 for doubles... I find that its the best compromise for speed and power because it is very balanced ... so too with the AT800De (my fav racket) but my 4u can lack "punch" sometimes.... I think it boils down to preference.... there is someone I know who says "don't worry about the racket - Adjust your stokes" but he is in a whole diff league interms of skills.. I still need the benefit of some technology!
i'm trying to decide between the AT-800 OFF and DEF right now. initially i was leaning towards OFF because i'm not too strong, though i have a fairly fast wrist snap, i think a heavy head would benefit for the extra power. however then i started thinking about my smash returns and net play, which is sloppy to be honest. maybe the DEF would help me improve in these areas... but do i even care about improving my weaknesses? or maybe i should just play to my strengths lalala i'm like talking to myself here...
You gotta remember, the O was made for heavy hitters, not weaker people. Alot of people complaina bout how stiff tehr acquet is and how the heavy head slows them down because they aren't taht sronge. If you're not the stronge type, I suggest using the Def instead unless you're willing to have a big jump into heavy head racquets combined with stiffness. (some get muscle aches because they dont swing the heavy head properly).
oh thats a good point. i noticed that the racket was quite stiff. i am used to quite a bit of flex from my ti3. however, i'm not sure if the lighter defensive would be that great because i'm losing weight in the head which according to the txt below is quite important. do the off and defensive version weigh the same? just the off has more of the weight in the head? i guess the ultimate question is what affects power level more, the head vs balanced weight or the stiffness/flex?
at800de is quite fast to swing at 4U what i don't like is the head heaviness that make me swing too much as for stiffness goes, its quite stiff, but not very stiff
That is why some people prefer 3u instead of 4u. My friend has an Armortec 700 3u and tried teh 4u and he said teh 3u gives him more power. Yes the extra weight gives you a better hit, but the main problem is can you handle the extra weight(in head hevy racquets)? Racquets' weight goes by U in yonex. Both Armortec O and DE offers in both 3u and 4u. 4u lighter than 3u and lighter than 2u. The extra weight is in the head for the heavy head racquet (in this case, the Armortec 800 O). Stiffneness doesn't determine how much stronger the hit will be. The stiffness is something that is to your personal playing style. A professional might have a good wrist and likes stiff racquet more. A beginner wont be ablet o handle stiffracquet that much because they can't full use a stiff racquet to it's full poteinal if they dont know how to use their wrist properly. I was reading someone in the fourms that someone knew someone that used a medium stiff racquet and player agressive. They could do powerful hits. but when they switched to stiffer racquets, their performances goes down. Conclusion: it's how you play.
lol I also had Yonex Ti3 and played with it for 2 years. but the thing that seems different from you and me is that I found out that using Ti3 my defense was superb and my attacking not very good. it's weird that you said your defense not very good especially using Ti3. Anyway, back to original topic and since I have both the AT800( OFF and DF) and the NS8K I'll just give you the short story. Personally, I think the best racket to get to the next level after using Ti3 is the AT800 DF. Why? It's because there is virtually no loss of defense qualities from Ti3 to AT800 DF AND the armortec has more attacking capabilities (limit) than Ti3. As for AT800off I thought it's also good but I find it too cumbersome to play with (maybe as in require more effort) / maybe like some the guys already mentioned - need to be stronger to play with the offensive. As for the NS8K although it's my main racket now. I still find it hard to forget my Ti3 shot timing and switch to the faster NS8K (maybe due to head lightness) and thus I still mishit and stuff and the fact that I already play with NS8K for like several months still don't help either. Seems to be special racket that need a lot of practice with. So, there you go my advice.. go with the at800 defence don't bother with the others that you mentioned unless you just happen to have too much money and willing to try new things and maybe screw your game gd luck finding the nice Ti3 replacement
heh what i mean is that, i think i'm better at offense than defense, so i felt like the ti3 didn't really utilize the best part of my game. i'm 6 feet tall so i'm normally in the back smashing, but with the ti3 i feel like i'm getting no power because its so light. my ti3 was 3U, do you think i should stick with that with the armortec or go lighter? i think if i went offensive maybe i would take 4U for faster swing, but defensive i'd go with 3U for more power.