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    TheStar 29th Oct '05

    Shuttler Lee Chong Wei is now the world number three.

    The Malaysian number one picked up his second Grand Prix title of the year in the Danish Open last Sunday and it was enough to see him move up one rung to a career high in the world rankings.

    “It feels good to break into the top three for the first time. It will give me the confidence to work harder and maintain my form,” said the 23-year-old Chong Wei, who is the first Malaysian in 39 years to win the Danish Open men's singles title since the achievement by Tan Aik Huang in 1966.

    The Penang-born, who won the Malaysian Open for the second consecutive time in July, is now ranked behind China's Lin Dan and Denmark's Kenneth Jonassen. China's Bao Chunlai dropped to number four while Olympic and world champion Taufik Hidayat of Indonesia remained in fifth spot.

    Wants to maintain his form for the Manila SEA Games.
    Mohd Hafiz Hashim, who bagged the Dutch Open title two weeks ago and finished as the runner-up to Chong Wei in the Danish Open, remained at number eight while Danish Open semi-finalist Wong Choong Hann is at number 11.

    Chong Wei has a good chance to overtake Jonassen if he can reach the final in the Hong Kong Open next week. However, he is not thinking about that yet.

    “I have achieved my target to get among the top three this year. I am not that far behind Jonassen because he crashed out in the third round of the Danish Open,” said the bronze medallist of the World Championships, which were held in the United States in August.

    “But at the moment, I will not think too much about climbing up the rankings. I just want to maintain my form because I have to prepare for the Manila SEA Games as well.”

    Top Malaysian women's singles player Wong Mew Choo also moved into a career high at number 13. Mew Choo lost to Holland's Yao Jie in rubber game in the Danish Open.

    Despite winning the Danish Open men's doubles title, Chan Chong Ming-Koo Kien Keat remained in seventh spot.

    The veteran pair of Choong Tan Fook-Lee Wan Wah also improved on their position to 23rd spot – thanks to their victory in the Dutch Open. In the Danish Open, they were beaten in three games by Denmark's Boe Mathias-Carsten Mogensen in the second round.

    Meanwhile, Hafiz and the top women's doubles pair of Wong Pei Tty-Chin Eei Hui will skip the Hong Kong Open. Hafiz has suffered a recurring knee injury while Pei Tty sustained a hamstring injury in the Danish Open.

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    what happened to Gade?!

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    I only think its fair that Lee Chong wei is number 3... As I see it it should go this way... LD 1, Taufik 2, LCW 3 and Gade 4... they are as in the WC in Anaheim the best when it really counts... Bao, Chen Hong Lee huyn ill and Kenneth are also good, but do not have as high a lvl as the first mentioned players... As I see it Sony and Boonsak also has potential to becoming top 5 players they just need some more time and consistency

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    Quote Originally Posted by Morten
    I only think its fair that Lee Chong wei is number 3... As I see it it should go this way... LD 1, Taufik 2, LCW 3
    Agree. Right now these 3 appear one level above the rest. Mind you, on any given day, given the right conditions, the chasing pack of 10 or so players could upset them. Look at what WCH did to Taufik yesterday. You could argue about Gade being in this elite group but IMO he seems to be falling off slightly.

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    An interesting comment, at least for me because I've never seen LCW play:

    My coach went to the WC and saw all the top players play. He stated that the fastest two players were LCW, then LD! I had no idea LCW was that fast.

    He said if LCW becomes more consistent, more patient and perhaps works on his fitness a bit, he'll be # 1.

    With that said, he's a cross post/new topic:
    http://www.badmintoncentral.com/foru...ad.php?t=27947

    Thanks for any insight.

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    I love LCW and Lin Dan and whatnot, but Gade surely deserves a higher ranking. In the recent past tournaments, he's made the semi-finals quite consistantly, whereas Kenneth and the others have inconsistantly popped up here and there.

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    cant wait to see him play this coming SEA games, cant wait for my guest pass to arrive

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    haha.. of course LCW is fast.. He is the recovery king!! and with Li Mao coaching him he is going to be faster..

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    Lee Chong Wei is now the world #2. Since there are no more major tournaments except the ongoing China Open and Taiwan Open, we can start calculating the year-end rankings.

    From my calculations, if Bao gets into the China Open final, he will end the year as #2, if not LCW will be #2 at year-end. The worst LCW can do is end the year as #3, as KJ (#4) did not do too well this year, and Taufik (#5) is not that interested to play most of the year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Morten
    I only think its fair that Lee Chong wei is number 3... As I see it it should go this way... LD 1, Taufik 2, LCW 3 and Gade 4... they are as in the WC in Anaheim the best when it really counts... Bao, Chen Hong Lee huyn ill and Kenneth are also good, but do not have as high a lvl as the first mentioned players... As I see it Sony and Boonsak also has potential to becoming top 5 players they just need some more time and consistency
    I disagree, an single tournament/event can only reflects the players status of a short period. World ranking, in the other hand, represent the player status of a long term overall performance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hcyong
    Lee Chong Wei is now the world #2. Since there are no more major tournaments except the ongoing China Open and Taiwan Open, we can start calculating the year-end rankings.

    From my calculations, if Bao gets into the China Open final, he will end the year as #2, if not LCW will be #2 at year-end. The worst LCW can do is end the year as #3, as KJ (#4) did not do too well this year, and Taufik (#5) is not that interested to play most of the year.
    i'm quite shocked when i read that Lee Chong Wei is now world #2! well, i'd like to congratulate Chong Wei on his achievement.

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    Lee Chong Wei is in fact World No. 2 now. Ranking date: 10.11.2005

    check this out....... http://www.worldbadminton.net/Portal...t.aspx?tabid=7

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    Quote Originally Posted by hcyong
    Lee Chong Wei is now the world #2. Since there are no more major tournaments except the ongoing China Open and Taiwan Open, we can start calculating the year-end rankings.

    From my calculations, if Bao gets into the China Open final, he will end the year as #2, if not LCW will be #2 at year-end. The worst LCW can do is end the year as #3, as KJ (#4) did not do too well this year, and Taufik (#5) is not that interested to play most of the year.
    Lee will stay as No.2 even though Bao enters the China Open final coz the points Bao got in China Open 2004 will have to be minus away. Bao will be No.2 only if he wins the China Open 2005.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GunBlade008
    I love LCW and Lin Dan and whatnot, but Gade surely deserves a higher ranking. In the recent past tournaments, he's made the semi-finals quite consistantly, whereas Kenneth and the others have inconsistantly popped up here and there.
    the whole ranking system is slightly flawed tho, since it's based on how many tournaments are played and the position you finish in the tournament. KJ loses in odd places when he comes up against people in the top 8, i'm hardly surprised when he loses to LCW, Bao, Taufik, Gade, WCH etc etc. KJ plays almost all the tournaments on the circuit.

    while this is testament to his immense fitness his general winning ability is perhaps not as high as his position suggests..

    Gade and Taufik notably are below their actually winning ability in my opinion.

    Lin Dan deserves to be at no.1, he plays many tournaments and win's many tournaments. but to be fair if the top 8 players played off from a quarter final i think it's almost impossible to determine the winner every time, since the draw affects each player differently.

    neway.. that's me done.

    Coops

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    Forgive me, people who have read some of my posts know I will rant

    Slightly flawed I agree, but ...

    1. The ranking system does not care how many tournaments you play in. They just take your 10 best tournaments. (Is it too much to play in 10 tournaments a year?) Playing in 11 tournaments will give you a slight advantage as you can exclude your lousiest tournament from ranking points.

    2. If it's not based on the position you finish in a tournament, then based on what are you going to rank the player?

    3. A year ago, people were saying how terrific KJ was (he still is formidable). That's when he won the Singapore Open, and did well in Korea and China around that time. His current ranking (#4) still includes those great performances, but as they will drop soon, his ranking is likely to drop, too. Remember that the system ranks a player on his whole year, not on his current form. And anyway, including the Sudirman Cup and China Open, KJ's participation for this year is only 12 tournaments.

    4. Taufik is great when he wants to be, but that is not often enough. The system is cold. It does not understand genius, it just weighs your results. Perhaps he should be ranked 2nd or 3rd (and he would if the system gives more points for World Champs), but you cannot fault the system for giving him the 5th rank.

    5. Gade is a great player, but is it an absolute right that he should be ranked above Chen Hong, Taufik, KJ, Bao, LCW or Lin Dan? Those are pretty good players as well.

    Quote Originally Posted by coops241180
    the whole ranking system is slightly flawed tho, since it's based on how many tournaments are played and the position you finish in the tournament. KJ loses in odd places when he comes up against people in the top 8, i'm hardly surprised when he loses to LCW, Bao, Taufik, Gade, WCH etc etc. KJ plays almost all the tournaments on the circuit.

    while this is testament to his immense fitness his general winning ability is perhaps not as high as his position suggests..

    Gade and Taufik notably are below their actually winning ability in my opinion.

    Lin Dan deserves to be at no.1, he plays many tournaments and win's many tournaments. but to be fair if the top 8 players played off from a quarter final i think it's almost impossible to determine the winner every time, since the draw affects each player differently.

    neway.. that's me done.

    Coops

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    hehe good comeback.

    i was under the impression that it took the last 10 results - not the best 10 from the last year

    lol - and i said it was flawed but not wrong - i can't find a better way of doing it. your right it is cold and can't take account of individual gameplay..

    maybe averages over a longer time would be better. i dunno..

    neway enuf from me

    Quote Originally Posted by hcyong
    Forgive me, people who have read some of my posts know I will rant

    Slightly flawed I agree, but ...

    1. The ranking system does not care how many tournaments you play in. They just take your 10 best tournaments. (Is it too much to play in 10 tournaments a year?) Playing in 11 tournaments will give you a slight advantage as you can exclude your lousiest tournament from ranking points.

    2. If it's not based on the position you finish in a tournament, then based on what are you going to rank the player?

    3. A year ago, people were saying how terrific KJ was (he still is formidable). That's when he won the Singapore Open, and did well in Korea and China around that time. His current ranking (#4) still includes those great performances, but as they will drop soon, his ranking is likely to drop, too. Remember that the system ranks a player on his whole year, not on his current form. And anyway, including the Sudirman Cup and China Open, KJ's participation for this year is only 12 tournaments.

    4. Taufik is great when he wants to be, but that is not often enough. The system is cold. It does not understand genius, it just weighs your results. Perhaps he should be ranked 2nd or 3rd (and he would if the system gives more points for World Champs), but you cannot fault the system for giving him the 5th rank.

    5. Gade is a great player, but is it an absolute right that he should be ranked above Chen Hong, Taufik, KJ, Bao, LCW or Lin Dan? Those are pretty good players as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by coops241180
    hehe good comeback.

    i was under the impression that it took the last 10 results - not the best 10 from the last year

    lol - and i said it was flawed but not wrong - i can't find a better way of doing it. your right it is cold and can't take account of individual gameplay..

    maybe averages over a longer time would be better. i dunno..

    neway enuf from me
    It is definitely the best 10 results from the last 52 weeks.

    Averaging has many flaws, but I'm not going to expand on it ...

    My wish for improvement is to have Quality Points added to the ranking points, where Quality Points are points garnered after you defeat a player, the higher ranked the player, the more points. That way, winning a tournament with lots of stars will reward you more than winning in a depleted field.

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