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    Hi Sally,

    I think that red has TOTALY over-reacted and misinterpreted what happened, and
    I know you are very upset about this, but please forgive him because it seems
    that he's a big fan of Xie's, and I think you know how some fans could over-react
    with respect to their idols.

    For what it's worth, I've always thought that you and Xie were just having a
    friendly chat and Xie was probably expressing how excited she was to meet
    you.

    It's really great to see photos of you at the HongKong open. I'm sure your
    presence would have promoted badminton even more in Hong Kong. You are
    doing a great job promoting our beloved sport!

    Have a nice day.

    NP

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    Quote Originally Posted by GGsally
    Hello Ms or Mr. Red, and others who have misinterpreted,

    This is Sally. I would like to say that making "assumptions" and "jumping to conclusions" is a job for the meddling paparazzi / reporters, not for decent badminton lovers such as in this forum.
    I guess most of us over here knew before your post that things weren't as bad as Red put it. It is just that i am also saddened by the fact that you are subjected to paparazzi like treatment over here at badminton central.

    Btw, i am not a fan of yours but i could understand your frustration.

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    Hello NP,

    I do appreciate you for your understanding and of course your acceptance of the TRUTH be told, but I only know how excited Fans can be which is why I tell my Fans to respect every other Artists and I really won't respect them as my fans if they miscontrue or disrepect other Artists. Obviously you are a kind and big hearted person, but I want to voice this out not for the purpose of my own reputation or name but because I hope this person will learn a valuable lesson about other peoples feelings, and ask himself, what can he gain by miscontruing a situation to the malicious degree that he has resulted in? Of course he is only one person but it only takes one to be disruptive or destructive. IF he cares so much about his idol, then I can only say, if Xie were to see what he thinks and wrote, she would literally fall off her rocker in shock.

    I find it rather amusing that Red would say I didn't stand up to greet his Idol. I didn't get up, 1st because there was no reason to (I certainly don't expect ANYone to get up for ME) 2nd, I had no idea she was heading my way until she actually got to me. I too, was surprised that the guy climbed over everyone to me and asked if Xie can ask me something. I think people even moved out the way so Xie could get to me. Immediately I bent forward to pull her over to me cos she was standing on the second tier below me. If I were to stand I would be 5 feet taller than her. I could barely hear her cos she is so painfully shy and I'm sure she felt awkward coming to look for me too. I kept going "huh?....huh?" to hear what she was saying.

    I certainly wouldn't have such a creative thought to ask ANYone to come all the way to the audience section and CHAT with me? I have no idea where his mind travelled to it's deepest depths to accuse me. About WHAT would I chat with her at that moment when the FINALS are going on? I came to WATCH the games. That's what I was there for!

    I just find it mind boggling that some people, BESIDES people that berate people for a living, would make such defamatory accusations, WITHOUT even having so much as an aquaintance with those people, or being right smack there with his ears WAY UP listening in on the conversation. ALL Red SAW was her walking up to talk to me and he can fabricate his own miserable FAIRY TALE! THAT is quite UNbelieveable and furthermore UNacceptable by my standards as a human being... not as a public figure. I was just a plain old badminton enthusiast, sitting as an audience member, minding my own business like everyone else, enjoying a thoroughly entertaining badminton tournament. H aha.. from now on I'll have to look out for this culprit at the games....

    Anyways, I do hope he will learn something positive from this.

    Regards, Sally

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    Default I feel SAME!!

    Btw, i am not a fan of yours but i could understand your frustration.[/QUOTE]

    Hello Kamen,

    I am so saddened tooooo Kamen! I hope badminton won't end up with the cutthroat sports maniacs like some soccer nuts that want to kill everyone that roots for another team. That is why I'm writing soo much! I don't expect anyone to be my fan. That is a freedom of choice. I do admire other Artists too and there is no one specific I like. I appreciate people for their talents whatever kind of Artists they are.

    You know, even Cheung who took the photos here came over and introduced himself to me. I thought that was very sweet of him. I didn't know him but he was very polite and friendly. I was happy to meet a face from this written forum. Certainly I did not "summon" him to come have a word with me too. It's a very small badminton world in HKG still, which I was disappointed to see. In 5 days time even the finals was not completely filled. The stadium only seats 3000. The VIP seats were never full and most of the days, empty seats were abundant. It is not unusual to meet many players of aquaintance in such a small stadium coming up left and right to say HI. BUT the good news is that badminton is the most played sport in HKG, far more than tennis or squash. There are more than 50 venues to play badminton in HKG alone. It is a fast growing sport, here and everywhere else.

    I do hope I can use whatever fame and name I have to promote badminton which is a sport I really really love to an obsessive degree! I just hope I can do some good for the sport.

    Sally

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    Quote Originally Posted by GGsally
    Hello NP,

    I do appreciate you for your understanding and of course your acceptance of the TRUTH be told, but I only know how excited Fans can be which is why I tell my Fans to respect every other Artists and I really won't respect them as my fans if they miscontrue or disrepect other Artists. Obviously you are a kind and big hearted person, but I want to voice this out not for the purpose of my own reputation or name but because I hope this person will learn a valuable lesson about other peoples feelings, and ask himself, what can he gain by miscontruing a situation to the malicious degree that he has resulted in? Of course he is only one person but it only takes one to be disruptive or destructive. IF he cares so much about his idol, then I can only say, if Xie were to see what he thinks and wrote, she would literally fall off her rocker in shock.

    I find it rather amusing that Red would say I didn't stand up to greet his Idol. I didn't get up, 1st because there was no reason to (I certainly don't expect ANYone to get up for ME) 2nd, I had no idea she was heading my way until she actually got to me. I too, was surprised that the guy climbed over everyone to me and asked if Xie can ask me something. I think people even moved out the way so Xie could get to me. Immediately I bent forward to pull her over to me cos she was standing on the second tier below me. If I were to stand I would be 5 feet taller than her. I could barely hear her cos she is so painfully shy and I'm sure she felt awkward coming to look for me too. I kept going "huh?....huh?" to hear what she was saying.

    I certainly wouldn't have such a creative thought to ask ANYone to come all the way to the audience section and CHAT with me? I have no idea where his mind travelled to it's deepest depths to accuse me. About WHAT would I chat with her at that moment when the FINALS are going on? I came to WATCH the games. That's what I was there for!

    I just find it mind boggling that some people, BESIDES people that berate people for a living, would make such defamatory accusations, WITHOUT even having so much as an aquaintance with those people, or being right smack there with his ears WAY UP listening in on the conversation. ALL Red SAW was her walking up to talk to me and he can fabricate his own miserable FAIRY TALE! THAT is quite UNbelieveable and furthermore UNacceptable by my standards as a human being... not as a public figure. I was just a plain old badminton enthusiast, sitting as an audience member, minding my own business like everyone else, enjoying a thoroughly entertaining badminton tournament. H aha.. from now on I'll have to look out for this culprit at the games....

    Anyways, I do hope he will learn something positive from this.

    Regards, Sally

    Sally, you're right...

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    Quote Originally Posted by GGsally

    I do hope I can use whatever fame and name I have to promote badminton which is a sport I really really love to an obsessive degree! I just hope I can do some good for the sport.

    Sally
    It's nice to have a person who uses his/her influence to promote badminton..
    hope there's someone like sally to do that in Europe and US!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by GGsally
    It's a very small badminton world in HKG still, which I was disappointed to see. In 5 days time even the finals was not completely filled. The stadium only seats 3000. The VIP seats were never full and most of the days, empty seats were abundant.
    I was trying to get a seat for the final, unfortunately, it was SOLD OUT!!!
    It was disappointing to see that the stadium eventually had empty seats that were not sold to fans. I know of a few more badminton fans that could not get seats for the final.

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    Quote Originally Posted by badMania
    I was trying to get a seat for the final, unfortunately, it was SOLD OUT!!!
    It was disappointing to see that the stadium eventually had empty seats that were not sold to fans. I know of a few more badminton fans that could not get seats for the final.
    Hello BM,
    I totally agree and I felt so bad for my friends cos I bought 7 $300 dollar front row seats but were far right of the courts. On the finals I looked over to the front seats for my friends only to discover not a single one of them were there! They all somehow found passes from the coaches and ended up sitting in the court area for the press and players seats, which were ALL empty, or empty VIP seats . Ended up Sunrise was so kind to give me 6 passes during the first game and I didn't use them cos all my friends had passes too! Too bad I didn't know you then! So some better organisation can be applied for sure.

    Actually QE is a great venue for badminton cos anywhere you sit, no matter how high up is a good view, but the VIP, then the VVIP allotted tickets took up all the best seats. I'm sure they did this because they know the the box office for badminton is not quite there yet. I hope one day Badminton will be at the HKG coliseum which can seat 12,000 max.

    Sally

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    Quote Originally Posted by red00ecstrat
    did u remember how xie xangfang got there cheung? chan chi choi (the hk coach) brought her there!
    i think chan shouldn't do that. xia is an athlete not a prosti....! anyone who wanna see her. just see her on court! u may talk to her if she's nearby! but send somebody to bring her somewhere for a chat. it's just not appropriate! besides, sally yeh wasn't that important! she's just a singer. that's all!
    Dear Red,

    Hi there! I seriously don't understand why you would even equate Xia to being a "prosti...". Poor girl. She is an athlete, of course. But she is human, very much like yourself. Does walking up to someone for a chat in the midst of a badminton game make her one? You are indeed very subjective. Even if you are, perhaps you shouldn't impose your views on others.

    Sally Yeh is JUST a singer. Well, you are JUST a photojournalist so, does that make you MORE important?

    Good day.

    Yours,
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    Quote Originally Posted by GGsally
    Hello NP,

    I do appreciate you for your understanding and of course your acceptance of the TRUTH be told, but I only know how excited Fans can be which is why I tell my Fans to respect every other Artists and I really won't respect them as my fans if they miscontrue or disrepect other Artists. Obviously you are a kind and big hearted person, but I want to voice this out not for the purpose of my own reputation or name but because I hope this person will learn a valuable lesson about other peoples feelings, and ask himself, what can he gain by miscontruing a situation to the malicious degree that he has resulted in? Of course he is only one person but it only takes one to be disruptive or destructive. IF he cares so much about his idol, then I can only say, if Xie were to see what he thinks and wrote, she would literally fall off her rocker in shock.

    I find it rather amusing that Red would say I didn't stand up to greet his Idol. I didn't get up, 1st because there was no reason to (I certainly don't expect ANYone to get up for ME) 2nd, I had no idea she was heading my way until she actually got to me. I too, was surprised that the guy climbed over everyone to me and asked if Xie can ask me something. I think people even moved out the way so Xie could get to me. Immediately I bent forward to pull her over to me cos she was standing on the second tier below me. If I were to stand I would be 5 feet taller than her. I could barely hear her cos she is so painfully shy and I'm sure she felt awkward coming to look for me too. I kept going "huh?....huh?" to hear what she was saying.

    I certainly wouldn't have such a creative thought to ask ANYone to come all the way to the audience section and CHAT with me? I have no idea where his mind travelled to it's deepest depths to accuse me. About WHAT would I chat with her at that moment when the FINALS are going on? I came to WATCH the games. That's what I was there for!

    I just find it mind boggling that some people, BESIDES people that berate people for a living, would make such defamatory accusations, WITHOUT even having so much as an aquaintance with those people, or being right smack there with his ears WAY UP listening in on the conversation. ALL Red SAW was her walking up to talk to me and he can fabricate his own miserable FAIRY TALE! THAT is quite UNbelieveable and furthermore UNacceptable by my standards as a human being... not as a public figure. I was just a plain old badminton enthusiast, sitting as an audience member, minding my own business like everyone else, enjoying a thoroughly entertaining badminton tournament. H aha.. from now on I'll have to look out for this culprit at the games....

    Anyways, I do hope he will learn something positive from this.

    Regards, Sally
    Dear Sally,

    Greetings! I am appalled by those who do not know how to respect others and more so by those who believe that they have a right to judge every public figure they meet; athelete or singer. By virtue of your status, you can perform many acts of charity and kindness. Nonetheless, I cannot comprehend why wouldn't the media focus on such benevolence. Is it so difficult to accept the sincerity of a person? Is it morally crippling to allow a singer to enjoy a badminton game peacefully and to talk to anyone in good faith?

    I totally understand your situation because everyone needs time of their own to do things in private without having the worry of being watched constantly. Imagine one is being CCTVed all-year-round.

    I am really sorry that you have to go through all these mess. I do KNOW you are a GOOD person.

    Have a nice day and with fond regards,

    Wendy

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    She is Xie .

    Quote Originally Posted by ggeinstein
    Dear Red,

    Hi there! I seriously don't understand why you would even equate Xia to being a "prosti...". Poor girl. She is an athlete, of course. But she is human, very much like yourself. Does walking up to someone for a chat in the midst of a badminton game make her one? You are indeed very subjective. Even if you are, perhaps you shouldn't impose your views on others.

    Sally Yeh is JUST a singer. Well, you are JUST a photojournalist so, does that make you MORE important?

    Good day.

    Yours,
    Wen

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pete LSD
    She is Xie .
    hahaha...thanks, Pete. My bad. It is Xie.

    Wen

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    Quote Originally Posted by red00ecstrat
    did u remember how xie xangfang got there cheung? chan chi choi (the hk coach) brought her there!
    i think chan shouldn't do that. xia is an athlete not a prosti....! anyone who wanna see her. just see her on court! u may talk to her if she's nearby! but send somebody to bring her somewhere for a chat. it's just not appropriate! besides, sally yeh wasn't that important! she's just a singer. that's all!
    Red,

    First of all, there is no need to say Prosti... Be a man and spell it out especially when you are calling the #1 woman's singles in the world that word. Just Come out and say it. Dont be shy !! Based on your post, you are not, so dont try to appear nice and civilized when you are obviously not. Thank you.


    Second of all, If you ever read some of my previous posts I usually talk about proof being crucial when you are accusing another of doing or committing something in-appropriate. In your post, there is just no proof. A simple observation in favor or not in favor of the parties involved simply does not warrant the language and words you used agsint them. Do you know anything about giving people the benefit of the doubt ?? I cant believe what you can get out of a simple meeting between a star badminton player and a star singer!! Next time I strongly suggest unless you were part of that conversation in that meeting you keep your visious speculations to yourself and your incredibly rude assumption to yourself. I have read your posts and you are obviously not living in the same world as the rest of us as you think people need to get up from their seats to show respect while overlooking the fact that if Sally stood up she would be looking into space and probably cant hear a word Xie said in an ongoing badminton Finals match.

    Xie and Sally,

    I been in USA most of my life so I know how difficult it is to promote badminton. I really appreciate your love for the sport and I hope Red has learned the facts in this meeting and I feel that we have really "troubled" you Sally to even have to come to this forum and defend yourself.

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    Thank you everybody for all of the contributions.

    There seems little further to add and I hope we can all remain friends despite our misunderstandings

    Let's move away and back to our beloved badminton

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    Default moderators. plz give me a chance to speak for myself

    hello ms.yeh,

    my bad! i just shouldn't make any silly assumption. i apologize for that.
    in fact, i should had gone straight to the point that i didn't feel comfortable with the way you met xie. to be honest ms. yeh. personally i didn't hate you and xie wasn't one of my favourite player. you were right. that's none of my business.
    u know. i didn't start a threat, post a picture and make an accusation against you. i took more than 10gb of images of the hk open but none of them was you and xie at that scene. not a single one of them! coz i wasn't a paparazzi. i was sick of that word and sick of what they had done! believe it or not. i had totally forgotten about that scene until i saw a picture that'd reminded me my feeling on that day once again.
    alright, you said that you certainly don't expect anyone to get up for you and if you were to stand you would be five feet taller than xie. ok, fair enough. you got your points. but did i say u gotta stand "laser straight" for whole time? i wonder what's gonna happen if the same thing that happen to you once again. but this time the one who stand in front of you is president hu jintao or mr. donald tsang.
    no matter who wanna meet who. getting up a bit for a second with a handshake is only basic stuff. i will do it when i meet a ceo of an international company. i will also do that when someone introduce me a salesman of a local department store. it isn't hard to do. is it?
    finally, i apologize once again for my silly assumptions and those inaccurate thinking that annoying you in the past few days.
    i do hope u will keep on supporting badminton central and keep on promoting such kinda great sport.

    regards

    red "the simple man"

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    Hello Red,

    I appreciate that you understand my concern to justify the situation in this forum regarding your misunderstanding. I'm glad you realise that sometimes things can get very twisted out of proportion if you don't know the facts properly. The worst thing is that other people will believe what you write or say and it becomes harmful. This is how idle gossip gets started and it is very hurtful. I'm sure you didn't realise that, but I hope you do now.

    To address the standing issue. I HAVE met Donald Tsang many times and many other dignitaries or important people during my career. If we are in a formal situation where we are having a meeting or a formal introduction at a dinner, there will be a need to stand up. Usually the women don't stand, only the Men if it's a dinner. I believe you will find this rather traditional fact in any etiquette book. I was brought up the old fashion way. I do stand up for my Parents friends at anytime though cos they are "the elderly". The only occassion women stand is usually when everyone is already standing, in a reception or cocktail. When I met Prince Phillip we did stand because that is a line up where he shook hands and greeted and everyone is standing and also it is protocol for Royalty. When I met Donald Tsang, he stood up to greet me cos I walked to my table which his seat was beside mine and he was already sitting at the table. He stood but his wife did not which is the norm. When I met Tung Kin Wah it was in my friends house and he plopped down on the couch in front of me and I did not stand, I just said HI. I didn't know them but we met thru friends dinners so no need for such formality. I just had dinner with Jackie Chan and Jacky Cheung last week, Jackie Cheung was already there when I arrived so he didn't stand up, Jackie Chan came in late and no one stood up. I'm not saying it's wrong that you stand though. Just sometimes not that necessary. I can tell you if Hu Jin Tao came to look for me in the badminton stands, I wouldln't even pay attention to him cos I'd be so engrossed in the games. It was only Xie cos I like her so much that I pull her over. One of the guys in the photos, the one where Cheung says looks like he's having fun. He's Indian with the green suit. That is Punch Gunalan. He is the Vice President of IBF international and he gave me my seat. He came up to greet me and I teasingly told him he was blocking my view.

    In Xie's case, to be honest I would not stand. Not because of who I am, but it is not a neccessity and it was a very awkward situation being that I was already very embarrassed that other people were looking. If I were to stand up, ALOT of people would stare and that would disrupt THEIR viewing of the game, and probably embarrass Xie too because she looked terribly uncomfortable walking up the stairs. I'm sure if there were some other way she could have gotten what she needed she would not look for me. Maybe the question you should ask is, why didn't XIE request that I go down to the sidelines to greet her? I think the answer is... she was being polite by coming to me to ask for help. In any case Red, she needed a favour which she thought I could help her with, and I did. It's really as simple as that. If you can keep your thinking simplistic, I think you would have much more peace within yourself.

    Anyways, good luck with everything and hope alot of goodness comes out of this for you. Since you are in HKG maybe we will meet on the courts one day. In that circumstance I'm sure I might be standing.

    I'm sorry others have to put up with this personal issue but I do believe integrity and morale plays an important role in sports too. One must have a good mental mind to play or understand a good game. I'm told sportsmanship is above all the most important element to get to the top, so, to have good sportsmanship we must all start out with healthy charactaristics. Hope you will agree.

    Regards, Sally
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    Dear Jumpalot (good name!)

    Xie and Sally,
    I been in USA most of my life so I know how difficult it is to promote badminton. I really appreciate your love for the sport and I hope Red has learned the facts in this meeting and I feel that we have really "troubled" you Sally to even have to come to this forum and defend yourself.

    >>OH yes, I know.. but I have to take baby steps. Jacky Cheung is playing now but it took me 5 years to talk him into it! When Singers do concerts at HKG Coliseum, everyone sends flowers, but I send Badminton racquets! I just hope they will get started! I'm just trying to do what I can to promote it more to get everyone to play now. That is a start. I'm working with a Club called GGBC Golden Gate Badminton Club in San Francisco too. My friend is founder and so far it is very successful since it opened in June 11, 2005. It is a fantastic club and I urge you all to visit if you go that way. We have a site in this forum too which is at USA WEST, under PLACES TO PLAY. That is how I know of BC. Also the website www.ggbadminton.com. Please go take a look. I'm such a badminton groupie and fanatic. I will do whatever I can do tell everyone the benefits of Badminton. I get VERY excited when I play. So much so I can't sleep at night thinking of my shots and what not.

    Sally

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