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    i do have rackets that i lend out, for occasions when we have beginners or newcomers. some of them can be pretty decent rackets but they are ones that i don't really care for anymore. i do expect the players to take care of them like they are their own though. i'd be mad if i see them abusing them.

    however, if they do break the string, which has happen before, i don't expect them to pay for it. as probably is the case that the string has seen their days and the player isn't the one who contributed most to the wear of it, it'd be unfair for them foot the bill for the stringing. and besides, i do my own stringing so what's $6 anyway.

    i have other rackets that i do care about and lend out, these are mostly the review rackets from Adidas, etc, in which i do treasure but i also want others to try them out as some of them are really really good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2wheels04 View Post
    Perhaps those words did not come about properly. I was gob-smacked when I read this as this is quite contrary a sentiment of sportsmanship, and that too in a non-contact sport!

    Without changing the original thread, which incidentally was revived after being dormant from Nov '05 and was about responsibility for breaking a racquet, in most sporting contests, there are written and implied aspects of that sport, one of them is caring about the safety of the opponent. Consider this, you could win that rally, at what cost? And I am certain, most people across the net will be grateful of not being hit in the face, eyes, especially when the hitter could easily have done that. That is control, control of racquet, control of the shuttle, control of emotions.
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    this might be just a guess, but i think the poster is trying to say that the speed of the game won't allow him/her time to mentally think about avoiding hitting the face, thus, accidents. i am sure that if he/she was given enough time, he/she will hit the shuttle elsewhere than the opponents' faces. the wording might be blunt but to the point, it's not his/her responsibility to care whether the other person gets hit or not...and i do believe he/she does tries his/her best to not cause any harm to his/her opponents

    back to the racket issue, i think some of us are not as confrontational as others. if i may make a guess i think if someone else were to be speaking out for the owner of the broken racket, maybe there's a higher chance of people asking for compensation?

    maybe it's just me as a very selfish person, but i know that if any of my rackets are broken even by me, i would be very upset, so if i lend it out and someone else broke it, and on top of that they don't pay for it, i would be mad!!! so between risking being mad and being embarassed for being selfish, i'd rather be selfish. and if they were good friends, they would know not to ask, and if they were just ok friends, well, too bad, not my problem really. and i'm sorry that i care about my babies more than about you

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    Quote Originally Posted by kwun View Post
    i do have rackets that i lend out, for occasions when we have beginners or newcomers. some of them can be pretty decent rackets but they are ones that i don't really care for anymore. i do expect the players to take care of them like they are their own though. i'd be mad if i see them abusing them.

    however, if they do break the string, which has happen before, i don't expect them to pay for it. as probably is the case that the string has seen their days and the player isn't the one who contributed most to the wear of it, it'd be unfair for them foot the bill for the stringing. and besides, i do my own stringing so what's $6 anyway.

    i have other rackets that i do care about and lend out, these are mostly the review rackets from Adidas, etc, in which i do treasure but i also want others to try them out as some of them are really really good.
    it's very generous of you to lend out rackets especially to beginners. i understand that the more knowledgeable you are in badminton, the more people will come to you for questions, comments, and rackets, it certain comes with the territory i guess. and lending out demo rackets from new companies like adidas does make sense as well because it helps spreading the word about a new product, but what about a high end racket that you treasure in which you bought with your own money(maybe you've never had to do that since you're given demo rackets from companies)?

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    Quote Originally Posted by kwun View Post
    i do have rackets that i lend out, for occasions when we have beginners or newcomers. some of them can be pretty decent rackets but they are ones that i don't really care for anymore. i do expect the players to take care of them like they are their own though. i'd be mad if i see them abusing them.

    however, if they do break the string, which has happen before, i don't expect them to pay for it. as probably is the case that the string has seen their days and the player isn't the one who contributed most to the wear of it, it'd be unfair for them foot the bill for the stringing. and besides, i do my own stringing so what's $6 anyway.

    i have other rackets that i do care about and lend out, these are mostly the review rackets from Adidas, etc, in which i do treasure but i also want others to try them out as some of them are really really good.
    In the past, I would be more concern because I have to find a stringer and the inconvenience of being without a racket and the travel back and forth (we don't have many stringers locally around). Now that I string myself, I don't care about broken strings. They are cheap enough, plus more chance to try out another string and tension!

    With rackets I cannot afford to lose or have broken, I do lend out but only to those I trust AND either a singles game or practicing on the court to try out. No doubles play, no exceptions, well, except for my son. He has full access to all the gear in the bag.

    After seeing your reviews on the Adidas rackets, I would like to try a few of those out myself but alas, none locally for me to touch.

    Interesting story of mine is a opponent broke her string and I told her to just grab my racket in my bag. She did, game went on, clashed and broke my racket. She paid me back but it was a favorite racket of mine at the time and discontinued so I cannot replace, so I just ended up with a different new racket to try out.

    What I should have done, was give her the one in my hand, which was a non-favorite and take the preferred racket for myself to play with, that's all in hindsight, I didn't think of that it at the time. Now, I have other cheaper rackets to lend out without fear of breakage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gundamzaku View Post
    it's very generous of you to lend out rackets especially to beginners. i understand that the more knowledgeable you are in badminton, the more people will come to you for questions, comments, and rackets, it certain comes with the territory i guess. and lending out demo rackets from new companies like adidas does make sense as well because it helps spreading the word about a new product, but what about a high end racket that you treasure in which you bought with your own money(maybe you've never had to do that since you're given demo rackets from companies)?
    beggars can't be choosers!

    but seriously, if someone want to borrow a racket that i like and paid for (yes, i do buy rackets!), most of the time they just want to hit a few shots with it to try it out, i am OK with it. usually i know them already so i know they are good players and won't abuse them. this happens rarely as i can't afford flashy new Yonex rackets and no one cares too much about non-yonex brands despite how good they are.

    however, if a crazy swinger that i know come asking to borrow one, i'd probably tell them in the face that if they break it, they have to pay. i think that's fair.

    as for lending rackets to beginners. yeah. i think that's just a duty we have to do. most of the time, the beginners that i know already have rackets, as most people in the area are prosperous enough to buy one. it is the ones whom are recreational and just want to come and learn about badminton that need a racket. or once in a while, some guests will come from out of town. they are already happy to have a racket to play with, and probably don't know that the racket they are holding is also used by some of the best players in the world!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cheung View Post
    I have had this happen to me. Exactly the same situation as yours. I am taking the shuttle on my forehand as the partner swings a backhand into the shuttle. His racquet collapses and mine stays intact. My racquet is a carbonex 20cn and his is a iso800cn.

    The partner is an ex-international player!!

    For your case, you have some implicit acceptance of risk, even more so if he is known to you. My suggestion is that either you don't partner him or you use a racquet you can afford to lose.

    I have had one idiot opponent do a full forecourt power smash while I am at the forecourt. I tried to turn away and just managed to do so enough for the shuttle to strike the bony orbit of my eye. That was a shot that would have blinded me and was totally unnecessary. I refuse to be with that person on court ever again (other people around me are unaware of my feelings).
    Well, I have no problem accepting implicit risk when playing doubles. The reason I ask him to pay is that he did not even say "sorry" after breaking my racket. I knew he will not pay but ask anyways ... just to let him know, please watch out for your partner when playing doubles. Hopefully he will be more aware but I will avoid to be his partner again...LOL!

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    to the OP, i am very glad you started this thread and i'm sorry if i have missed previous thread regarding this topic, but it sorta collected a lot of ideas on how to deal with lending out rackets, especially for someone (like me) who really cares about his/her equipment. and to be honest, i'm like this with all my sports equipment, tennis, pingpong, golf, pool...etc. and i am very happy to hear that it's ok to refuse lending when i'm not if the person will take care of my equipment as if it was their own

    at the same time i see that there are a lot of generous people out here on BC so their world is not all bad

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    Quote Originally Posted by kwun View Post
    and in the end, it is just a racket, perhaps a friendship is worth more than that.
    Kwun certainly speaks the truth. I agree with what a lot of people also said on here.

    - If it was a crazy swinger friend I'd tell him(before the actual game)that if he breaks it he pays and let him know that his technique is high risk.

    - If it was an accident with a close friend I'd tell him not to pay for it but if he insists then all the better because (depending on the price of the racket) if you guys get into an argument over such a fun sport then it will ruin you both and yes friendship is definitely worth more than any badminton racket.

    - In the OP's situation, I would ask the acquaintance to pay since I barely know him but if he refuses I'd get the friend to ask him and if he refuses yet again then I'll just leave it and probably ask for him never to come again as his attitude towards the thing is a let down for the group as a whole (I know double standards but if you act that way even in front of new friends it wont get any better).

    My opinion is to be taken lightly as I'm only using an ArcSaber 002 ($40) meaning it's just $40, I admit I might be a bit selfish and not let anyone borrow my racket if it was $150+. But in light of this topic, my group has casuals and sometimes regulars who either don't have a racket or forget theirs so I think I might actually buy a couple more of the ArcSaber 002 for people to use since I (beginners opinion) think it's pretty good all rounder for a beginner.

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    aboveNbeyond, may I suggest you consider buying a different racket other than the 002. This way you will have a different racket to try out and the 002 can be used by you or lent out if someone else needs a racket. Just my own opinion though, I prefer different rackets instead of owning duplicates.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gundamzaku View Post
    this might be just a guess, but i think the poster is trying to say that the speed of the game won't allow him/her time to mentally think about avoiding hitting the face, thus, accidents. i am sure that if he/she was given enough time, he/she will hit the shuttle elsewhere than the opponents' faces. the wording might be blunt but to the point, it's not his/her responsibility to care whether the other person gets hit or not...and i do believe he/she does tries his/her best to not cause any harm to his/her opponents
    just to clarify things:
    i never aim to hit anyones face!
    nevertheless, in fast net-exchange situations, i don't waste any energy/concentration on trying to avoid hitting the opponent (in matches clearly, training is a different thing...). in these situations, it might happen that i somehow anticipate a net shot or something, jump in there and go for the netkill. in these situations, accidents happen and i don't bother to avoid them. mens doubles is usually so fast that i don't have the time to watch where my opponent is and try to avoid hitting him. it's his concern to get out of the way! and usually he gets out of the way, as players know when it gets risky and behave accordingly...

    @topic: i lend my rackets (VT80) to any of my team-members if they need one and would expect them to pay for it if it breaks (and i truely believe they would pay). strings break, that's my problem as they've probably been torn anyways...
    (strings never last more than 2-3 weeks, so i have them strung pretty often anyways...)

    fortunately, there are no beginners/intermediates where i play, so i luckily don't come into situations where i have to lend a 200$+ racket to a woodchopper...

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    Quote Originally Posted by |_Footwork_| View Post
    just to clarify things:
    i never aim to hit anyones face!
    nevertheless, in fast net-exchange situations, i don't waste any energy/concentration on trying to avoid hitting the opponent (in matches clearly, training is a different thing...). in these situations, it might happen that i somehow anticipate a net shot or something, jump in there and go for the netkill. in these situations, accidents happen and i don't bother to avoid them. mens doubles is usually so fast that i don't have the time to watch where my opponent is and try to avoid hitting him. it's his concern to get out of the way! and usually he gets out of the way, as players know when it gets risky and behave accordingly...

    @topic: i lend my rackets (VT80) to any of my team-members if they need one and would expect them to pay for it if it breaks (and i truely believe they would pay). strings break, that's my problem as they've probably been torn anyways...
    (strings never last more than 2-3 weeks, so i have them strung pretty often anyways...)

    fortunately, there are no beginners/intermediates where i play, so i luckily don't come into situations where i have to lend a 200$+ racket to a woodchopper...
    point taken, and i do agree with your way of thinking

    "woodchopper"....muahahahahaha.

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    This is a great unspoken topic. Thanks op for bringing this up.

    I don't lend/borrow racquets from/to others.

    I take care of my racquet well, and that expectation simply doesn't necessarily transfer to others. Just the way some people scoop up shuttle with the racquet is enough to make me cringe.

    Friendship does worth more than money, but why risk it?

    If they want to try out a racquet, they can use it for warm up and not play a match. And I expect them to be responsible for it if it is damaged, doesn't matter who caused it.

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    Hey guys, so I'm planning to get a racquet strung at my local badminton club. I'm worried about this. NOTE: Genuine racquets and strings only. We are not responsible for any broken strings or racquets during the stringing process in addition to any racquets and strings that are not genuine. This just means they will not compensate and are not held accountable for breaking a fake racquet right?. So if they break my authentic racquet with authentic strings they should be responsible right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Exert View Post
    Hey guys, so I'm planning to get a racquet strung at my local badminton club. I'm worried about this. NOTE: Genuine racquets and strings only. We are not responsible for any broken strings or racquets during the stringing process in addition to any racquets and strings that are not genuine. This just means they will not compensate and are not held accountable for breaking a fake racquet right?. So if they break my authentic racquet with authentic strings they should be responsible right?
    as a stringer, i can understand why they have that disclaimer. fake rackets and strings are very poorly made with cheap materials. they are soft and don't take tension very well. there is a high liability for the stringer if it cannot take the tension.

    besides, if the racket do break, how can the stringer be responsible? give them another fake racket?

    best for your case, is to ask the stringer to clarify it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kwun View Post
    as a stringer, i can understand why they have that disclaimer. fake rackets and strings are very poorly made with cheap materials. they are soft and don't take tension very well. there is a high liability for the stringer if it cannot take the tension.

    besides, if the racket do break, how can the stringer be responsible? give them another fake racket?

    best for your case, is to ask the stringer to clarify it.
    Yeah I do understand I think fake racquets rule is totally reasonable, I just hope they won't break my armortec 250, I'm
    Giving them my authentic armortec 250 with zymax 65 strings.

    Yeah I'll clarify it tomorrow since I'm going for drop ins, it's ridiculously expensive $8 for drop in even if you bought member ship, $13 for normal drop in no member ship , thanks kwun I appreciate it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mater View Post
    aboveNbeyond, may I suggest you consider buying a different racket other than the 002. This way you will have a different racket to try out and the 002 can be used by you or lent out if someone else needs a racket. Just my own opinion though, I prefer different rackets instead of owning duplicates.
    Hmm, that's actually not too bad of an idea thanks, it was on the back of my head when I posted it but wasn't sure. I mean I was thinking along the lines of the beginner end of different series so maybe a cheap nanoray and cheap voltric so it's more versatile to those I lend out to. I might even branch out to other brands.

    I also want to state that with all this talk, I think it is okay to say no to people/friends who ask to be lent your racket, there are always others to lend it from.

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