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Thread: The Tony Gunawan Factor
11-18-2005, 10:15 AM #18Originally Posted by cooler
All that aside, I really admire the way he valued his future and families future. I read a servey a few years ago that said something like 80% of elite altheles would trade 15 years of their life for a gold medal. Badminton isn't life, and in a sport of children leaving their families at 12 to train, it was cool to see someone at the top come out and show it.
11-18-2005, 01:13 PM #19
I didn't know if you tracked Tony Gunawan's tournament history and/or watched the videos of tournaments or not. From the videos, he was not too different a player from other elite players in the Indonesian team. But for the recent two years (2004-05), what I observed was that he has become a level higher than his old team mates, Candra Wijaya and Sigit Budiarto. At their levels, the training is just to maintain their condition; the factor that Gunawan could get one step ahead might be that he has to coach in US. I agree, it is a badminton wasteland since there is no others close to the international level other than the 2001 WC gold medal pairs. My thought is he will not get too much progress if he did stay in Indonesia and keep training. In a way, it limits the "vision". What I am trying to say is that it sets a different angle for him to comprehend the play as a coach, not just a player. An old chinese saying says "teaching helps learning"; Tony Gunawan could be a good example for badminton....
Anyway, we cannot turn back the clock. If he stayed, he might be even better or just retire like other players, e.g. Hendrawan, etc. We will never know. :-)
Originally Posted by MarkinJapan
Last edited by scchang; 11-18-2005 at 01:18 PM.
11-18-2005, 02:06 PM #20Originally Posted by MarkinJapan
11-18-2005, 04:50 PM #21
wow Tony is not only a great double or mix player.. he is also a great singles player!!! Check it out... he made it to final in mens singles OCBC Yonex International 2005 http://www.worldbadminton.net/Portal...p?pnumber=3181
11-18-2005, 05:15 PM #22Originally Posted by Simp84
11-18-2005, 05:56 PM #23Originally Posted by harimau
11-19-2005, 02:37 AM #24Originally Posted by MarkinJapan
you can see successfull indo badminton players, like taufik, chandra/sigit, ricky/rexy, susy susanti, they live prosperous and they're rich enough
anyone can live and have good family future from badminton if they are successfull badminton players
11-19-2005, 08:35 AM #25Originally Posted by badMania
11-19-2005, 10:06 AM #26Originally Posted by cooler
Tony is a great badminton stratagist. Yes.
Does that carry forward into many other realms?
Bobby Fisher is a great stratigist. Is Bobby a great doubles player? Is Tony a great chess player?
"If u claim tony is the best MD player, u should also respect his decision"
this statement is an utter fallacy.
11-19-2005, 10:23 AM #27
that being said I agree with tony's choice. Badminton is not life.
11-19-2005, 10:44 AM #28Originally Posted by MarkinJapan
Ohhhhh! Them's fightin' words!
In all seriousness, I'd say for most of us here, "Badminton is a part of life."
11-19-2005, 12:31 PM #29
We don't live for badminton. Badminton is just a sport that make our lives more healthier and interesting. Badminton does gives us happiness and sadness, enemies and friends as well. Our life is not all about badminton.
The statements are not on behalf of the PROS and those people who make Badminton as their lively hood.
11-19-2005, 03:11 PM #30
The pros play for a living and us BF'ers play for its fanaticism.
11-19-2005, 05:14 PM #31Originally Posted by MarkinJapan
A to B, B is to C, then C follows from A, a valid statement
then u say, wait, i've found a case where C is to X, with that u went to
invalidate my first statement and say A is to X, not C.
Weight lifter Mr123 is the greatest weight lifter, he won numerous medals and titles. He has the best strength to body weight ratio, like 400 lbs/200 lbs, a Lift to Body Weight Ratio (LTBR) of 2.
then you MarkinJapan says, wait, i know something who has much better LTBR, an ant. For a body weight of .005 g, it can lift ..05 g, a LTBR of 10. By your logic, an ant should exceed Mr123 lifting capability.
The point is u cant apply strategic theory from badminton to chess and then reverse it. Thiefs, politicans, wolves, general and commanders are all great strategists, you can't discredit tony's decision because tony isnt a supreme general, commander, thief, politican or a wolf. U just cant do that.
Last edited by cooler; 11-19-2005 at 05:17 PM.
11-19-2005, 11:50 PM #32Originally Posted by coolerOriginally Posted by cooler
I made two statements.
1. Tony is a great badminton player
2. Bobby is a great chess player.
I asked three retorical questions.
1. Does stratigic awareness in one GAME, transfer to another. (no)
2. Is Tony a great chess player BECAUSE he is a great badminton player. (no)
3. Is Bobby a great badminton player BECAUSE he is a great chess player. (no)
ALL I said is that just because tony is a good badminton player it does not give him the innate ability to make good choices. In any other game or in life itself.
do you agree or disagree with that? Because in the above statement you disagree, and that is the only perverted logic in this post.
11-20-2005, 03:26 AM #33
OK -- this is getting silly. If it gets a little more silly posts are going to start to disappear.
11-21-2005, 05:56 AM #34
hehe, i bet indonesia is pissed now
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