Who's responsibility?

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  1. vcheewei

    vcheewei Regular Member

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    Hi there, my racket frame cracked after restring, i noticed it when i got back the racket. It all happen when he almost finish the last 2 string at the top of the racket and the string snap, when he tries to enlarge the hole with a niddle. That causes tension imbalance and crack the racket. He restrung it, but that time the crack was minor and i did talk to him about it.

    It has been weeks now and the crack got worst. I do not intend to go claim anything, but i was just wondering who's responsibility if the owner's racket got cracked or broken during restring?
     
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    Let me get this straight:

    1) The first time he restrung your racket, he already cracked it but didn't tell you

    2) This time the crack got bigger

    If so, he's at fault.
     
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    close 2 u!
    Just discover this interesting thread yrs ago...

    http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3416&highlight=jennifer+stringing
     
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    thanks for sending that link, devilcat. interesting situation. even though i do live out on the east coast, i hear Lee's has a very good reputation. so yea, thanks. also, in this thread, i think it is the stringers fault, he should have informed you of the crack before stringing
     
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    I'd say it depends on what tension did u ask the stringer to string ur racket. In my opinion , its never the stringers fault.
    if the tension is within the recommended range , and the racket cracked , blame it on bad manufacturing , and if ir cracked cos u wanted eg. 30lbs when ur racket recommends 25lbs then it's ur fault.

    + i notice u saying that ur racket cracked when he shift the strings, i think , if ur racket can break that easily , imagine what a miss smash can do to your racket.

    so yeah , its not anyone's blame , **** happens.
     
  6. vcheewei

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    How do i know what tension is recommended? I'm using 24lbs and that's the tension that he himself said is ok. U see any rackets can withstand tensions normally high or low, but the problem is that i think rarely few racket can withstand imbalance pressure. If you are equally distributing pressure throughout everything definitely it's not a problem since it's a circle. But imagine if suddenly the right side is having higher pressure than the left, it would pull the left side inwards and causes it to crack. I'm now still using it, and my friends too. We have mis smash it many times and even smash it hard on the frame, it slowly increases the crack line but it still didn't break immediately. This proves that it's not the problem if the manufacture.

    So, since u said that it was not the stringer to blame, do u mean that if i were to buy a new racket online and i choose a high tension (out of what is recommended) and it broke. So the stringer should send the broken racket to me?
     
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    The improper use of the awl (needle?) can cause a crack on the frame. It is unlikely that the crack was caused by tension imbalance. Any imbalance that cracks a frame can only do so if there is already an existing crack. It would appear it is the stringer's fault.
     
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    stringer's fault?

    Hi,
    Some stringers are pretty cautious and defensive. When they notice that when u ask them to string yr racket beyond the recommended range,they will caution u and state that it is not their responsibility if the racket crack or break or warp.........:rolleyes: Normally, for Yonex rackets, u may string them usually about 2 lbs above the specified range. I did it before n so far there is no problem. ;) I only fear these guys dont do a good job n inexperienced in stringing will kaput my xpensive rackets:crying:
    Lee:D
     
  9. lex1437

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    The recommended tension is usually stated on the shaft of the racket, or some on the tagged leaflet on the racket. usually good range racket will state " tension up to 25lbs or recommended tension 25lbs" or so.

    i believe stringers tie strings 1 line at a time , and gaps are shifted by just merely a few milimeters. I dont think it will cause the racket to crack. Unless ur racket is old , or has a clash before. And as u said , you always miss smash hard , i am sure before u string the racket u have alot of those miss smash , that may weaken the frame. but if u insist that it is the stringer that caused the crack, i cant make u change ur mind. Just my opinion to ur question on the title.

    and if u order ur racket online with strings on , then i am sorry , i have to call you an amature.

    then again , i am not flaming this thread. if ur racket has a crack and getting worse , please dont use it . it may be dangerous when it finally give way.


    ps: i have a stringing machine in my place and has experience stringing over 200~300 racket's. i am the schools badminton club president. so i string for fellow members.
    and yes 24 lbs on an amature racket can break it. if ur racket is a high range ( Ti series , soxt ) it wont crack at 24 lbs and even i max out (pff! how far can it go ? 0.5cm away ?) the tieing balance.

    sorry for ur racket.
     
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    Yes i was there watching him stringing it line by line. Firstly, of coz he started out with vertical lines then ended with horizontal lines till the top. On the final few strings he is not able to place the string through and he uses something like a niddle to make the hole larger and that causes the vertical string to snap. Since vertical string is not clamp at all (i believe you know that). I am not pushing the blame nor wanting to claim anything from the stringer. I just want to know what is the opinion of the rest of u on this issue.

    My racket is about 4 years old, even so, it doesn't have any lines or cracks, u may be true that it's old but i don't think it couldn't withstand the tension since the racket was doing well until the string snap and immediately i notice the slightly imbalance of the shape of the oval racket. Then, i notice the crack causes it.

    What's wrong with ordering a racket online with strings on? For your information, the racket that i'm ordering is a high end Yonex racket that is unstrung, and I order that it should be strung with the string and tension i requested before sending it. I'm sure lots of ppl in UK, US or EU is doing that. So are u sure all of them are amateurs? I know it's rare to see these things happen in Malaysia, since not much shop selling rackets online and most of the time it's better of buying from the shop.

    I'm not sure what is considered a amateur racket to u, but the cracked racket is a Yonex's carbonex old model.
     
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    Here is a good old remedy. Put some super glue in the crack.

    I did it to one of my old racket and it works perfect.

    Just apply the super glue lightly over the crack and it will seep into the crack.
    Careful not to over do it, don't glue your string to the grommets.:crying:
     
  12. lex1437

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    "What's wrong with ordering a racket online with strings on? For your information, the racket that i'm ordering is a high end Yonex racket that is unstrung, and I order that it should be strung with the string and tension i requested before sending it. I'm sure lots of ppl in UK, US or EU is doing that. So are u sure all of them are amateurs? I know it's rare to see these things happen in Malaysia, since not much shop selling rackets online and most of the time it's better of buying from the shop. "

    i dont know if you know this . but normally to get the correct tension on your racket u go to ur regular stringer that strings ur racket, this is because :-

    1) ur stringer uses the same set of equipment and method to string ur racket like all ur other racket so that u can know how it effects the feel of ur new adjustmentscompard to ur other rackets.
    2) weather oversea's actually effects the tension , as in cold country the string actually is at it's normal lenght where as hotter country expands the string by 0.00000001 mm , LOL .. but every detail counts.
    3) u supervise ur racket being strung at the right tension, people tend to slack and for what u know , ur racket is strung 2 lbs lower , and u wont even really realise it. You'll probably end up saying the racket is not as powerful ?, stuff like that happens.


    there are of course a few other reason that i cant recall off now. I hope u dont get offended , but i hope this makes a point.
     
  13. LazyBuddy

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    Ok, as being a stringer myself, let me say something from a stringer's point of view. Of course, I am not saying who must be right, or must be at fault, all I am saying is we sometimes need to view the whole pic before drawing the conclusion.

    1. Ok, the racket is cracked during the string process. However, even if the racket is brand new, how anyone can claim it's not a manufacture defect to start with? Of course, the chance is small, but "dog eats my hw" DOES happen.

    2. So, sounds like this racket is an used one. How's the condition to start with? If with quite a few paint chips here and there, I wonder maybe the old clashes and mis-hit can do much more damage than using an awl.

    3. The player spot some questionable damage at the previous string job. However, he did not point it out. Of course, being a nice guy is a good manner, but once it comes to responsibility, you simply lost the 1st hand. Especially, if you think he did a poor job before, why come back to the same guy, and take such a risk at the 2nd shoot??? :eek:
     

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