Thread: New scoring format
12-12-2005, 09:04 AM #86Originally Posted by twobeer
12-12-2005, 09:10 AM #87Originally Posted by keith_aquino
You can come up with all sorts of wacky scoring systems to try..
But if it aint broken why try to fix it????
If 3x21 rally-scoring isn't a success what should we try next year????
If the only thing IBF does for the sports is suggestion new rules to try out.. I don't think they are doing a great job of promoting the sport!!
12-12-2005, 09:15 AM #88Originally Posted by twobeer
personally i think we should increase the points to 25 and tie breaks up to 40... this would ensure a similar length game..
12-12-2005, 09:30 AM #89Originally Posted by coops241180
It's a silly argument.. And we all know that most other popular games have more complex rules....
Why doesn't Tennis change from 15,30,40 game to 1,2,3,4 points... O those ATP managers must be sooo stuuuupid ..think how much more popular tennis would be with simpler scoring
Last edited by twobeer; 12-12-2005 at 09:34 AM.
12-12-2005, 09:42 AM #90Originally Posted by twobeer
don't get me wrong - i'm happy with how the scoring is at the moment, but i have faith in the IBF to do the right thing. tennis and table tennis have both tweaked rules to make them more tv, spectator and player friendly.
it's cheaper to change rules than it is to try to market a sport, especially when the sport's image is so 'back-garden'. it would require a vast spend to get the sport anywhere near where it wants to be. And for a lot of people that's either not justified, or simply can't be afforded.
Complaining about it doesn't achieve anything. As my maths teacher once said - don't come to me with problems, come to me with solutions..
saying ' we need to market the sport better' is not a solution. unless of course your willing to pay billions to get 'Play badminton' emblazoned on every billboard, bus, taxi, tv advert, sports superstar etc etc so that the sport get's into the public eye.
i respect the IBF for not giving up and doing everything they can to make the sport more popular..
12-12-2005, 10:21 AM #91Originally Posted by coops241180
I am not even sure marketing today neccessarilly need to be that extremely expensive... given New channels like internet etc. It will however require lots of work!
You can say, that I do not have the right to have an opintion on their work, as I do not walk in their shoes..
Or that it's easier to sit at the sidelines and shout than to actually produce yourself
Of course it is..
I can even sit and critizise some of the pro players and find misstakes in their game, techinque and tactics, knowing I will never in my life be even close to their abilities!!
It's not like Gades coach would be able to do a better job against Lin Dan, but I am sure Gade listens to his advices .
If I where the IBF president.. Maybe I would also be looking for "the holy grail".. finding that one rule change that would instantly make the public start watching all games and sponsors running to get a piece of the action...
But I ain't, and however objective I try to be about it, I strongly feel they are barking up the wrong tree here!!
Lets just face it.. Lots of hard work, and lobbying and activities, actions to involve all players and fans, and the manufacturers of equipment clothing etc etc.. is needed for IBF.. But do the IBF board members want to put in that time and effort? Who would pay them?? What would be the incentives??
My proposal would be for IBF to do the following:
a) Try to form a Mens Single Tour (kind of ATP) and if possbile a mens double tour. try to negotiate with manufacturers and Sport-channels right from the beginning.
b) When supplying video footage etc to media.. make sure the way to the finals are covered.. not only the finals... The way up to the finals is probably more important than the final just by it self.. if you want some excitment..
c) Use the Internet as a marketing channel.. the IBFs web-site isn't that impressive from a marketing perespective
little money could go a long where here.. and commercial thinking would make it possible to fund things as well I beleive (sponsorship, ad's. etc etc.)
The Key is to think business... It's like when F1 started.. You have the product.. what IBF needs is sales-guys girls and a good sales process.. then sell sell sell..
12-12-2005, 10:48 AM #92Originally Posted by twobeer
Originally Posted by twobeer
Originally Posted by twobeer
Originally Posted by twobeer
i'm sure the IBF does think business and this is probably the reason that we don't see badminton televised as much as we'd like - big mainstream TV channels in Europe and America simply won't pay for badminton to be aired when they can put something on that more people will watch.
while rule changes do appear like quick fixed, they are really the only 'free' thing the ibf can do, and if they can make badminton appeal to more people without spending a fortune then this can only be a good thing.
have faith my fellow badmintonite - they will come through for us
12-12-2005, 11:08 AM #93Originally Posted by coops241180
These rule changes they are imposing from top down make drastic changes in how Badminton is played. And the changes, as far as I have been able to tell, have all been to the bad. This is not the price I want to pay for potential increase on American TV.
And please, don't tell me about simplified scoring. I defy anyone to explain in plain English how this new scoring system will work in doubles.
12-12-2005, 11:31 AM #94
okay - so if you don't want rule changes, then come up with something that is affordable....
i pity the ibf, nothing they do is ever going to please everybody, they are at least trying.
if next season the ibf launched a men's singles and doubles series, which had stages in all 5 continents and was coverd by Sky sports and ESPN and had the finals in the albert hall or something and then the next season they couldn't afford to give prize money for any events or even get any badminton on tv at all we'd complain then too..
if they launched an all singing all dancing website that had live results and video feeds, player profiles, ticket sales etc. etc we'd complain that it wasn't enough or that the site couldn't cope with the traffic it was generating.
so when they make what i think is a little change to the scoring system, (and playing to 21 doesn't count because we've done that for a long time in some places) all hell breaks loose.. this change in scoring in my opinion doesn't represent a wholesale changing of the way we play the sport. Give it time, see if it works.. the IBF have experimented before, and wouldn't unleash a rule change, unless they were sure that they needed too - especially given the mess other rule changes have caused..
12-12-2005, 11:39 AM #95
Overall it's going to be interesting..but not bad..Originally Posted by terry
-Philippine Open, Feb 01-09
-Thomas and Uber Cups Continental stages, Feb 08-22
-Aviva Cofco China Masters, Feb 8-12
-Commonwealth Games, March 16-25
-Asian Badminton Championships, March 28 to April 02
-European Championships , April 11-16
-Thomas and Uber Cups, April 28-May 07
boy, that'll be an interesting turn of events...
After the Thomas-Uber Cup Finals in Japan from April 28-May 7, the council will decide if the scoring format is successful and should be adopted for all their tournaments, including the 2008 Olympic Games in Beijing.
Last edited by ctjcad; 12-12-2005 at 11:47 AM.
12-12-2005, 11:47 AM #96Originally Posted by coops241180
Actually, they have had a history of trying to mess with the scoring system. Didn't they come up with the 5x7 with barely any experimentation? My main problem with the IBF is that they are not holding to the paramount rule that they ought to be holding up: "First, do no harm!"
I think this kind of wholesale messing around is harmful. What they should have done was suggest the 3x21rally as an option and let it exist for a few years and if people thought it worked, then consider including it in some tournaments, and if it proved wildly successful, then switch over completely. It should have been a multi-year process, maybe even a decade-long one, not just a dictat handed down from on above.
12-12-2005, 12:08 PM #97Originally Posted by kanive
i'm sure the IBF appreciate suggestions from everybody..
some people would say by not making changes they are doing the sport harm already.
Your right, they screwed up changing the scoring last time.. and personally i think they have learnt their lesson and investigated this new change more thoroughly.
but having alternative scoring systems for different competitions is messy, and could lead to the sport becoming divided into different camps. This would also harm the sport.
The IBF haven't just said - this is the scoring system like it or lump it. they are trialling it till after the TC and UC. so they're not trialling it for long, but they are trialling it over a number of different tournaments at different levels. Let us see how it pan's out i say.. if it doesn't work, then we'll just return to the original - experiment over, no harm done..
12-12-2005, 01:08 PM #98Originally Posted by coops241180
Here is a simple way to increase ad revenues by an order of magnitude. Bear with me, please, while I explain.
An average 15-point game lasts a bit less than 15 minutes in real time. If however you were to use a stop watch and measure the time that the shuttle is actually in play, it is only about 4 minutes. Seriously. Check it for yourself if you don't believe me. Let's give it some slack and say 6 minutes. This means, in every game, there is 7-8 minutes available for ads! That is, there is time for about 15 30-second spots!! The only problem is that these times do not come in well-regulated chunks, so it is not possible to simply interrupt the telecast at the end of a point and show an ad.
Unless: you adopt a TiVo-like technology to do the telecast. Suppose you have the ability to pause the telecast at will. Then, consider the following sequence --
1. start the telecast when the referee says "love-all, play"
2. show the first two points in entirety
3. pause the telecast -- continue recording the game, but show a couple of ads instead.
4. resume the telecast, but now only show recorded snippets that go from about 5 seconds before serve to 5 seconds after rally ends, until the recorded session has caught up to real time -- this will happen about 5 minutes into the game, about a third of the way in.
5. pause again and show ads
6. resume telecast as above, and when the recording does catch up with real time again, this time around the 10 minute mark, don't stop, but continue with uninterrupted real time telecast till the end. A win-win-win situation, where the ads get shown, the game doesn't get interrupted, and the end of the game, which is usually the most tense, doesn't get interrupted either.
I have no idea if that will work. But it seems to me that technologically speaking, it is possible. And maybe the extra revenue will make it worth somebody's while to test this.
12-12-2005, 02:00 PM #99Originally Posted by kanive
a thoroughly creative and well thought out solution your a genius..
altho i wonder what would happen when you get to the latter stages of a tournament and the games last closer to half an hour than 15 minutes..
i mean - you could even just shove in a mandatory ad break every 15 minutes of play, and like you said, cut the time that the shuttle isn't in play out..
great thinking man - i like it
12-12-2005, 02:04 PM #100Originally Posted by kanive
I think these kind of "createive" thinking is what is neede by IBF.. isntead of just looking for the holy rule change that will sway the media over
12-12-2005, 11:35 PM #101
since we have all these discussions revolving around IBF, new scoring system, popularity, etc etc. Does BF/BC has any influence in IBF? Any of the members work for IBF/have "a say" in the decision making?
IF we sign a petition/online petition to IBF to keep badminton just as it is right now, will it work? will they even consider it? I'm pretty sure some one could organize an online petition or even a real one to keep badminton as it is.
12-13-2005, 10:39 AM #102Originally Posted by coops241180
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