Thread: New scoring format
12-13-2005, 05:35 PM #120Originally Posted by DinkAlot
From the article:
For doubles matches, the rules are:
- One service only
- Back service line remains and the current rule applies.
Anyone know for sure?
12-13-2005, 06:18 PM #121Originally Posted by kanive
the IBF has thier collective head up thier ass.
12-14-2005, 07:39 PM #122
12-14-2005, 10:18 PM #123
The new scoring system has some pluses which will benefit the game. You can now win a point if you win a rally irrespective of whether you are serving or receving. This is an added dimension, a new opening and opportunity to win a point where there was none under the old system. More skills will be required. You will not have to play till you drop. With today's newer and more powerful racquets and strings, serious injuries will be drastically reduced. There will less of a Peter Gade or Ronald Susilo or Hafiz being side-lined with long term injuries. There will less of player burnout. If the rules are not changed the future game will be monopolised by players 22 years or younger, as newer racquets, strings, and an obsession with speed will take a heavy toll on players older than 22 years of age. The new rules may actually not benefit China with their emphasis on speed and super human fitness. Let us bring back some exquisite skills and strokes. The new system will bring forth more players like Taufik (I got it right this time) instead of top players throwing away some matches to save their best for matches that count (Taufik seems to be a master on this).
Even the game of tennis, which is less punishing than badminton, is not immune to injury problems brought about by newer and more powerful racquets. I think tennis will look into this injury problem and make some rule changes.
The game of badminton is evolving. Today's players and equipment are a far cry from those in the old days. But the rules, save the hit on the frame and the change in duece, have hardly changed.
In this respect you have an IBF that is at least not protecting the old boys from the club but has the actual guts to evolve and perhaps reshape the game. If it doesn't take off there is always a fallback. Now what is wrong with that?
12-14-2005, 11:55 PM #124
You are kidding when you say speed is all there is to it, right?
Originally Posted by taneepak
12-15-2005, 12:08 AM #125
There are not many sports that still have only the server winning a point. Only international squash still maintains this scoring system, although the squash game as played in North America is also changing the scoring system to the rally point system. Both tennis and table tennis use the rally point system and they seem to be doing well.
After all the very idea of not winning a point when you have actually won a rally, just because your opponent is serving, doesn't make sense. A point reward should be given for a rally won. The reward of winning the right to serve, instead of the more immediate reward of a point, when you win a rally with the opponent serving, just doesn't make sense from a conceptually point of view. It is a delayed reward that may never materialize.
12-15-2005, 12:22 AM #126Originally Posted by taneepak
I am sorry for appearing to be so blunt, but that is a vacuous argument. Since when is not getting a point on winning a rally such a problem? For whom?
In tennis, you can win 3 rallies and still lose the point. You can win rally after rally after rally, and still lose 6-0. In baseball, you can get 9 hits in 9 innings and still score a grand total of zero runs. In basketball, you can score 1, 2, or 3 points in a single scoring shot! Isn't that confusing? Why don't they make it all 1 point per shot?
I look around me, and I don't see a single sport which has "simple" scoring rules. What is the problem here, really? Who is pushing for this rally 21 anyway? And why? Why don't they say why?
Is there a smiley to say "Bah, humbug"?
12-15-2005, 12:52 AM #127Originally Posted by kanive
For sports to evolve nothing should be sacrosanct. Sure, movers and shakers are in the minority, and it is lonely to be at the top of the pyramid. But just imagine what the world would be like if humankind is ruled by those at the bottom of the pyramid.
At least what the IBF is trying to do is to have the cake and eat it. If the new system works all the good for badminton, although there may be players who will give up the game in disgust. If it doesn't work out, then the system can be further fine-tuned or even dropped.
12-15-2005, 01:20 AM #128Originally Posted by taneepak
12-15-2005, 01:24 AM #129Originally Posted by taneepak
Please don't say "oh that's a game, not a point". That's just terminology. What matters is what goes up on the scoreboard.
12-15-2005, 01:35 AM #130
Just played first games with new scoring.
Just got done playing 5 games with new scoring! I am 35 years old and started playing when I was 10 years old. I like the new system, just like what the AVP did to Beach Volleyball! Rally scoring, no long drawn out, boring games anymore! I found that you must really focus on serve first and then play shots to middle of court, not forcing any shots. Missed shots give other team points! Playing doubles as we did tonight, some folks took longer to get with the program! You just have to keep track of score and be loud and verbal after every point. If IBF gets large TV contract to show badminton in ASIA , then they get more advertising money$$$$$$$$. Don't be stuck in the past, enjoy a new way of playing! Start all over again, think more and use your skills.
12-15-2005, 01:44 AM #131Originally Posted by ToddieO
Last edited by cooler; 12-15-2005 at 01:48 AM.
12-15-2005, 05:20 AM #132Originally Posted by taneepak
This is not "evolving" the sport. If New material make smashes faster etc.. It would more likely be shorter rallies than longer.. This is just making the game less demanding.. And I don't think less is more!!!
12-15-2005, 05:26 AM #133Originally Posted by taneepak
12-15-2005, 05:34 AM #134Originally Posted by taneepak
What exactly is the measurable critera that this scoring is more "succesfull" than the old?
12-15-2005, 05:40 AM #135Originally Posted by twobeer
12-15-2005, 05:51 AM #136Originally Posted by cooler
I would also like to point out that most Mens singel matches aren't that long, with todays scoring!
I don't think womens double play will change dramatically from this scoring.. It's not like they don't try to win the rallies quick as of today?!?!
What would lead IBF to conclude it was a failure??
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