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Thread: New scoring format
12-15-2005, 06:28 AM #137Originally Posted by twobeer
12-15-2005, 06:45 AM #138Originally Posted by coops241180
To implement changes, I think first IBF needs to identify the problem and also try to suggest different solutions to the problem. If Scoring-change is found to be THE best solution to the problem, then so be it lets change it..
But I highly doubt, rally scoring is a big step forward.
I suspect IBF thinks they can solve complex problems (image, TV coverage, sponsor-money etc) by simple solutions like a rule-change in a board meeting.
I can also see risks with changing rules randomly..
a) Adding to confusion about rules and regulations.
b) Changing implies something is wrong with the sport. So people will natuarally assume there is something wrong with todays badminton. if we need to change it.
c) Tradtion. Traditiona isn't always bad.. it can also be good to show that the rules still stands the test of time!
As I mentioned before i think we need to establish what exactly is broken before trying to fix it..
And I do not think the "product" badminton is the problem, but the effectiveness of "selling" the product that is the key issue here..
My belief is that changing the "product" will have no or exteremly little effect on the popularity and media-coverage of it (may also have a negative effect). I beleive there are lots of actions IBF could do that would be more meaingful. I am afraid the real issues gets dimmed when putting to much focus and effort of finding a shorter scoring system.
my 2 cents,
12-15-2005, 06:47 AM #139Originally Posted by twobeer
12-15-2005, 06:59 AM #140Originally Posted by event
What are their requirments on commercial breaks here.. How many? how often? for how long?
How would 21x3 rally scoring satisfy this better than 15x3 std scoring.
When seing european coverage of badminton. I feel the biggest issue is that they focus on all disciplines in one broadcast.. Trying to cover MS,MD,XD,LD,LS is simply to much to be able to cover most matches from quarterfinals to finals in large networks.
I think Media wise it would be best to focus on a men singles tour or similar, to make the sport more known, and more frequently shown on TV. In the beginning I think media production should focus more on player-profiles and educating the public about competetive badminton, rather than try to show all finals in all disciplines for a few select tournaments to a broad public, that don't appriciate the game because they a) don't understand what they see and b) don't know who's who of the pro's...
12-15-2005, 07:10 AM #141Originally Posted by twobeer
just my opinion of course
12-15-2005, 07:39 AM #142Originally Posted by coops241180
The number of points in a game is of secondary importance.
Matches will certainly be shorter with rally point scoring but they will be of even less appeal to the TV audience.
Game length is of no consequence to TV audiences. If that were true there would be no cricket, no baseball and no American football on TV. Not even football where the match lasts 90 minutes of playing time.
Rule nuances are likewise of little or no importance - you can use the same examples (most people don't even understand the offside law in football) and add rugby as an extra.
Advert breaks ARE all-important to most TV companies. This is what any changes should address and would make little difference to the sport.
Give the players a one minute break every 5 points for televised matches and that should do it. End of story.
The changes as constituted change the sport completely - they should call it worseminton and have a new governing body - and very much for the worse, even in the light of their own avowed goals.
12-15-2005, 07:56 AM #143Originally Posted by CWB001
12-15-2005, 08:18 AM #144Originally Posted by DinkAlotOriginally Posted by CWB001Originally Posted by coops241180
12-15-2005, 08:26 AM #145Originally Posted by kanive
It's all really about nothing but money.
I am not a youngster and I will really be offended if somebody tell me they change the rule to protect older people from injury or to give us a chance to win.
To play well and avoid injury, you must be fit and train to be fit. It is part and parcel of any physical game, not only badminton. I have seen 60 years old gentleman take on 18 years old school player and win!
12-15-2005, 11:09 AM #146Originally Posted by twobeer
- failure to make gain in north american and european's sport TV network coverage during this trial period
- the badminton fan base continue to show support of the original scoring system after about a year of trying out the 21 point system/
12-15-2005, 11:28 AM #147
Can't say rally scoring will improve the sport in any way. I've followed volleyball at least for 20 years and must say that the side-out play is just too boring. Takes less (tactical) skill than before, just hammer it on....And fluke shots makes bigger impacts too.
What changes have tennis adopted since Hastings 1066? Well you can look at more flesh than before but then it is more appealing to watch porn....Big improvment of the sport
In what way is more marketing *not* the solution? That's the only solution. Yeah, lots of friends will start watching badminton now since the scoring system changed.....and the game is suddenly not "back-garden" since now you need a Ph.D to understand the new doubles serving system I'll tell that to everyone I see and expect them to be badminton fans.
Please explain to me in what way the common people will find the sport any more interesting than before. Simplicity of rules isn't any issue, I just say Cricket...Developing the sport isn't gonna happen since rally scoring means "side-out" play and that means more brute force than tactics. Shorter games means nothing, number of occations for commercials counts. The proposed "time-slip" system would be more interesting to give a go than rally scoring.
I agree with twobeer that IBF should start a tour like ATP/WTA. With a headsponsor *not* involved in sports (no Yonex, Nike etc), but a car, clothes, electronics etc etc company with interest to reach new markets.
Originally Posted by coops241180
12-15-2005, 11:50 AM #148
Rally point feedback form to IBF
Shuttlers et al.,
Attached is the feedback form that you may send to IBF, via your local baddy associations/clubs/organisations if necessary.
FYI: In the form, the question bordered with thick lines at the top of the table is given as an example. The pdf if not in a fillable format , so you will need to send the printed hard copy. The "Any Comments:" section is less than four lines, I am certain these will be enough!?
Last edited by 2wheels04; 12-15-2005 at 11:53 AM. Reason: typo
12-15-2005, 12:02 PM #149Originally Posted by Quasimodo
This is the official IBF website man!
12-15-2005, 12:07 PM #150Originally Posted by twobeer
Shorter games means less stamina more power, this doesn't mean less injuries but probably MORE injuries, including injuries during training as players will need much more power training.
12-15-2005, 12:09 PM #151Originally Posted by event
Tournaments in january should still be playing in the current scoring.
12-15-2005, 03:52 PM #152
IMO, this new scoring stinks. Why change a working system? 3x15.
12-15-2005, 04:35 PM #153Originally Posted by event
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