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01-24-2006, 05:51 AM #35Originally Posted by Loh
- We can't wait too long as it will be too late otherwise
- This trial isn't particularly "fair", why are we testing this system and not another one? No one was consulted for it...
- The trial will not give us answers to how the game would evoluate over the years (type of players, game style, injuries...)
- It won't give us any answers about TV coverage either, as TV coverage is already progressing without the new scoring
- Many things can already be said with a simple theoretical "mathematical" analysis of the scoring system...
If we want to "save" our favourite sport, we need to start getting organized now!
01-24-2006, 06:06 AM #36Originally Posted by seven
!! This is a general statement and not aimed at any one person. !!
Lets give it a chance and see what happens.
Last edited by serviceover; 01-24-2006 at 06:08 AM.
01-24-2006, 08:09 AM #37
Arguments in favour of rally scoring system
So, here I start with the "bad" part
1/ more TV friendly because...
* more predictable match lengths
* shorter matches
* score evolution is easier to understand
* current game is old fashioned (???) -> Punch Gunalan said it...
2/ more interesting because...
* faster pace
* more open game (more upsets)
* higher concentration required (?)
3/ less injuries because ...
* shorter matches (read argumentation about high smash speed causing more injuries according to Punch Gunalan...)
4/ players like it! (Punch Gunalan said so...)
Last edited by seven; 01-24-2006 at 08:13 AM.
01-24-2006, 08:10 AM #38
I must admit I find Punch Gunalan's arguments particularly silly, the last one even being a lie... but hey, we need to list them in order to explain why they are silly!
01-24-2006, 08:12 AM #39
I just wrote this list quite quickly and probably forgot quite a few arguments.
If you think of arguments (in favour of new scoring) that I have forgotten, post them here!
01-24-2006, 08:19 AM #40
By the way, if anyone has time to initiate the list of arguments against the new scoring, feel free to do so as I don't have time to do it right now...
01-24-2006, 11:58 AM #41Originally Posted by seven
* Increased length of uneven matches (requires 21 instead of 15 points to win)
* Decreased length of even (exciting) matches (the rally scoring limits the length).
*Introduceses a bigger element of chance/luck, as the game is shortened.
* less chance of spectacular comebacks, as its proportionally easier to get points while having the advantage of receiveing the serve.
* Makes the game less physical demanding (sissifying the sport).
* Makes double serving rules more complex.
* May decrease TV air time (faster games = less time shown).
* Adds confusion to the public on badminton rules and scoring.
* More "fair" (less upsets) (greater chance of the best badminton player actually winning the game)
* Shorter games with more breaks have already been tried, and rejected (5x7).
* Testing, changing & voting takes, time, resources, money, energy that could be better used to market badminton and get more TV air time.
Last edited by twobeer; 01-24-2006 at 12:06 PM.
01-25-2006, 04:59 AM #42Originally Posted by twobeer
New scoring format is bad because :
1/ it takes excitement out of the game :
* uneven (uninteresting) matches are made longer
* matches are shorter overall (and closest matches are only half as long as they used to be)
* come-backs are made almost impossible (specially in doubles as receiving the serve is an advantage)
* end of games are much less exciting (too fast, very little chance of come-back...)
2/ it changes radically the sport
* the game is much less physical demanding (stamina and mental strength are made secondary)
* pace and power becomes too important => variety of shots + creativity will tend to disappear (same problem as 5x7)
* introduceses a bigger element of chance/luck, as the game is shortened.
3/ bad for TV coverage
* scoring changes have already showed their inefficiency to increase TV coverage in other sports (volley-ball, table tennis etc...)
* constant scoring changes (5x9, 5x7, 3x11 ...) are destroying badminton's credibility, they add confusion to the public on badminton rules and scoring
* makes double serving rules more complex.
4/ Bad for players
* more risks of injuries with development of muscular power game (increasing training workloads etc)
* introduceses a bigger element of chance/luck, as the game is shortened. (less fair results in the end)
5/ Players and fans don't like it
* BF poll gave 87.22% against this scoring system (out of 313 answers from fans)
* many major pro players are standing against it (Tony Gunawan, Peter Gade ...)
* fans won't go to stadiums and pay to see lightning short matches
(finding new fans is good but IBF must start by thinking of its already existing fans in order to have some crowd during matches)
6/ Time, money, resources and energy should be used for more urgent matters
* the 3x15 system has proven fine for a while and there is no urgency to change it
* GP circuit needs reforming(too many equivalent level tournaments leading to China Masters disasterous entries last year for example)
* world ranking points need readjusting to give more importance to tournament winners and less points to early round losers
* IBF needs to improve its marketing to sell badminton current format (which already has attracted millions of fans within the world) to TVs
* adopting the new scoring means risking dividing even more asian and european badminton federations, when badminton needs unified efforts for its development rather than inner-quarrels...
01-25-2006, 05:05 AM #43
Feel free to give ideas to complete (or reorganize) both lists.
Kwun, just thought of something : we could write an article (on why the new scoring is bad) and use it as a base for an online petition.
If we can get Tony Gunawan, Peter Gade and other famous badminton personalities to sign the petition, plus hundreds of fans behind them, it could probably have a good impact!
(I feel in an optimistic mood today )
01-25-2006, 07:38 AM #44
I'm voting for Seven as the new IBF president.
That is, french people are politician by nature, I just hope he doesn't screw us in the back like they all do.
01-25-2006, 08:25 AM #45Originally Posted by Loopy
Originally Posted by Loopy
Well, I admit I am interested in politics (not politicians), both in sport and ... "real life" but I agree politicians are usually highly corrupted and big liars!
IBF makes no exception unfortunately...
02-13-2006, 02:26 AM #46Originally Posted by Loh
Hafiz is the only men's singles player in the Malaysian team to have played under the new scoring format - at the World Cup in Yiyang,China.
Despite his dislike for the new format, he is determined to master it.
"For me, the new format has robbed the art of badminton. Anyway, the format is good for new players and those with an attacking style of play. I will be out to adjust to it."
02-14-2006, 12:07 AM #47Originally Posted by Loh
02-14-2006, 02:27 AM #48Originally Posted by taneepak
Well actually I consider Hafiz good with overheads as he is quite tall, including his smash. But he appears lazy and slow moving. But on his good day, he can surprise as he did when he unexpectedly claimed the AE crown not too long ago.
02-14-2006, 03:50 AM #49Originally Posted by taneepak
02-14-2006, 08:09 AM #50Originally Posted by taneepak
04-26-2006, 05:40 PM #51
If you are talking about some people that is.. the 'little' umpires still get confused for umpiring doubles and mix doubles games... as you know that the umpire scores as well right? the linesman also does the scoring so i think there is a pressure on if the scores were different, and dont know which one is the right one.. because people STILL get mixed up about how they score with the new and old scoring system, being "mixed" together and cause confusion.
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