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    Question At700/at800of/mp100/mp99

    Yello!

    Yeah, time to decide on a new racket model. Even after reading a heavy load of threads (including every single one in the reviews section), I still need your help with this. Please point out a racket you'd recommend along with a reason of some sort (colour scheme doesn't count ). Please include the weight level as well (2U,3U or 4U)

    I've played with AT500 (3UG3, BG-80 at 29 lbs) for the past ~4 months. Right off the bat, I find it way too flexible, there's no need for my racket to be as forgiving as this. On the other hand, its head-heaviness is exactly on the level to my liking. I like the way it gives me stability on the head while clearing, but I think it lacks control (its netplay is awesome though).

    I'm quite offensive, my play is based on offensive clears as well as smashes (quickly executed as well). Singles as main priority, doubles occasionally. I'm not concerned about the durability.

    I am looking for stiff and powerful rackets, head-heavy or balanced. Accuracy/stability while clearing is important. Please don't bother suggesting AT800 Defensive.

    I've no chance on testing any of these, hence my decision being up to your help. I have have no chance on getting models from the older series either (Cab, Ti) - Hereby, the rackets available for me:

    MP99 (2U or 3U)
    MP100 (3U)
    AT700 (3U or 4U)
    AT800 Offensive (3U)


    As of now, I find AT800 Offensive 3U or MP99 3U the options most to my liking due to its stiffness as well as it being less head-heavy than AT700
    I'm worried about AT700 3U's head-heaviness preventing me from executing quick shots round the head, as well as MP series' overall weight on 2U versions, experienced ones correct me on this.

    Any kind of opinion is appreciated,
    thanks in advance!
    -Chire
    Last edited by Chire; 12-17-2005 at 02:58 PM. Reason: making myself more clear

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    How refreshing! A request for help that actually includes some information

    Mp100: personally, I hated this. Felt very head-heavy, slow, hard to time shots. Suspect too cumbersome for you.

    At700 (sorry, can't remember which U): agree with your concern here. I found this one too head-heavy, though less of a problem than Mp100. At500 is better than At700, in my opinion.

    At800-OF: haven't tried this. Seems to be intended for extreme bias towards offense. Personally I'd avoid such rackets in doubles (I know it's marketed as a doubles racket!), but they might be fine for singles.

    Mp99: even balance or slight head-heaviness. Excellent all-round racket, and my second choice for personal favourite. I tried the 3U, and I think it will be a better choice than 2U (too heavy).

    I think you may be dismissing the At800-DE unfairly. I know it's called "defensive", but that doesn't mean it's flexible or otherwise lame. In my experience, this racket is very similar to the Mp99. I had a hard time choosing between these two, but the At800-DE won for me. Extremely maneuverable racket, slightly head-heavy, reasonably stiff (but not as stiff as OF).

    Also, note that "forgiving" does not imply "for beginners" or "flexible".

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    MP99 (2U or 3U):
    I have been using MP99 (2UG4) for about 2 year, it is very all rounded, every aspect is great.
    MP100 (3U)
    I tried the 2U version, its stiffer than the MP99, and less forgiving
    AT700 (3U or 4U)
    I just bought AT 700 (4UG4) i found it kinda funny after playing with MP99 for 2 years. anyway, its stiffer, all of my shots are higher(placement) probably gonna take a while to adapt the weight
    AT800 Offensive (3U)
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    Alrighty, some really notable advice you guys pointed out there, thanks!

    Well, the main reason AT800Def isn't under my consideration is that it equals MP99 so much, but its price is 45€ (30) higher . Afterall, I will buy many of the rackets that my final decision eventually concerns.

    The reason why I particularly seek stiff rackets is that I've no problem hitting the sweetspot. I'm also somehow prejudiced that flexible rackets usually have less control while hitting from the back of the court . Stiff racket keeps me confidentAs for AT500, I've been trying to compensate its flexibility by stringing it to high tensions.

    Anyhow, Gollum, as you're experienced with both MP99 and AT800Def, which one do you consider more of a head-heavy racket? How about the difference in the overall feel?

    I'm under such an impression that MP99 practically has no weaknesses, overall performance being the top of Yonex models regardless of the style of one's play.

    IvanM, which one would you prefer powerwise, the MP99 2UG4 of yours or the AT700 4U?

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    That's a very good reason for not wanting to buy the At800-DE

    My last racket choice was between the Mp99 and the At800-DE. I loved the feel of both rackets.

    It was very hard for me to distinguish between them, except that the At800-DE felt more maneuverable (exceptionally so). I like a racket to "go where I put it", so that swung my decision in favour of the At800-DE.

    I think that the At800-DE is fractionally more head-heavy, but it's a close call. The Mp99, at 3U compared to the At800-DE 4U, is distinctly heavier overall.

    My feeling is that both rackets have no weaknesses and are at the top of Yonex's selection for overall performance.

    If you want the ultimate in quick response and maneuverability, then get the At800-DE. It's even faster than the Karakal SL-70 (world's lightest racket).

    I think that Mp99 has the edge on shots with a bigger swing -- smashes, clears, and some drives. It lets you put a little more weight behind your shots. The At800-DE is very light, and so probably not quite so powerful on these shots. But the At800-DE excels at shorter, sharper shots: net kills, smash defence, and some drives. If you use finger power to hit with an extremely short racket swing, then the At800-DE outperforms heavier rackets on these shots.

    Bearing in mind that your main interest is singles, I'd say go with the Mp99. In singles, the At800-DE's strengths are less useful. Besides, the Mp99 is cheaper.

    I can't recommend these two rackets enough. They are both, in my view, superbly balanced tools. The differences between them are subtle.

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    well since AT700 is one of the choice, i'd also like to ask some question about it.

    Which weight is better? 4u or 3u?

    judging by performance 1 st
    -power
    -control
    -manuverbility

    Durability 2nd


    thnx i advance

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    If i were to choose
    i would still prefer Mp99
    since it has no weaknesses

    My at700 is kinda...lack of control
    since the weight of it and the head-heaviness is very extreme

    Go MP99

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gollum
    I think you may be dismissing the At800-DE unfairly. I know it's called "defensive", but that doesn't mean it's flexible or otherwise lame. In my experience, this racket is very similar to the Mp99. I had a hard time choosing between these two, but the At800-DE won for me. Extremely maneuverable racket, slightly head-heavy, reasonably stiff (but not as stiff as OF).

    Also, note that "forgiving" does not imply "for beginners" or "flexible".
    Agree, if I were to buy a Yonex racket to play with, right now, it would be the AT800-DE. IMHO, it's the most underrated racket in recent memory.

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    Default choose the pros' choice

    the best way to decide a racket is to try all the candidates out, not for a few hours but for two or three weeks of play. don't easily condemn a racket. more likely than not, if you were to get all four of them, and to use each one for a month, you would fall in love with at least 2 or 3, if not all of them. they all are good rackets and i bet many people can find more than one right answer from the four.

    another good way (i think) is to check out this site: http://www.yonex.co.jp/intl/badminton/player/index.html, choose the pros' choice. if the player's style is similar to yours, then his choice might work for you too. personally i recommend MP100 and AT700.

    btw, for those who think NS8000 does not smash as hard as ATs and MPs, please check out what Haward Bach used in the 2005 IBF world championships, who is nothing but a good smasher and server.

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    Quote Originally Posted by franxon
    another good way (i think) is to check out this site: http://www.yonex.co.jp/intl/badminton/player/index.html, choose the pros' choice. if the player's style is similar to yours, then his choice might work for you too.
    I don't think that is a good idea.

    It's too tempting to pretend that "My style is like Tony Gunawan" or "Me, I play more like Kim Dong Moon".

    Bollocks. None of us plays like any pro. Not even slightly. Choosing a racket in this way will be unreliable, because it relies on a fanciful comparison.

    (Exceptions, of course, for the very few resident pros here!)

    Your other suggestion is much better:

    the best way to decide a racket is to try all the candidates out

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    Quote Originally Posted by franxon
    btw, for those who think NS8000 does not smash as hard as ATs and MPs, please check out what Haward Bach used in the 2005 IBF world championships, who is nothing but a good smasher and server.
    Sorry, completely disagree. Howard Bach is a pro. Pros can smash with any racket. 99.99% of the people on BC are not pros and we play nothing like the Pros. Using pros is a terrible example.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DinkAlot
    Sorry, completely disagree. Howard Bach is a pro. Pros can smash with any racket. 99.99% of the people on BC are not pros and we play nothing like the Pros. Using pros is a terrible example.
    no problem, pros can smash harder than i do with a wood racquet or a tennis racquet. i have no doubt about that.

    but are you suggesting different rackets make no difference in pros' hands? i think some rackets give pros more smashing power than other rackets, this is as applicable as the rackets to us (maybe not the same rackets though).

    and what i'm trying to say here is that NS8000 is one of the 'some rackets' (whose performance some smashing pros are happy with) rather than one of 'other rackets' in a pro's hand.

    if someone, pro or not, can not smash hard with a certain racket, it can either be because: the racket is not designed for hard smashing, or, this someone doesn't know how to smash hard with the racket.

    if someone draws a conclusion that NS8000 is not a smashing design (statements alike can be easily found in the forum), one otherwise example can prove him wrong, it doesn't matter where the example comes from, as long as it's a fact.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gollum
    I don't think that is a good idea.

    It's too tempting to pretend that "My style is like Tony Gunawan" or "Me, I play more like Kim Dong Moon".

    Bollocks. None of us plays like any pro. Not even slightly. Choosing a racket in this way will be unreliable, because it relies on a fanciful comparison.

    (Exceptions, of course, for the very few resident pros here!)

    Your other suggestion is much better:
    it's alright if you disagree. but make sure you have got what i'm trying to say. lemme rephrase it:

    if you are a hard smasher, choose the pro hard smashers' choices, it won't be too wrong. it might not be the best choice for you, but definitely a safe bet, at least safer than a purchase purely based on the reviews from the crowd.

    this is certainly not the best way to choose your racket, needless to say. i'm suggesting so because Chire can't try any one before he buy it. suggestions like 'try out first' simply doesn't apply to him. any better ideas care to share?

    and, it's nothing wrong to have a pro target whose style you think suits you most. there's a lot we can learn from the pros. and i'm wondering who doesn't want to learn from them. it is not equivalent to imitating every movement the pros execute.

    similarly, it's nothing wrong to think your play style is more like Taufik than Wong Choong Hann. no matter how far away, you still can be closer to Taufik than Wong Choong Hann.

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    Quote Originally Posted by franxon
    but are you suggesting different rackets make no difference in pros' hands? i think some rackets give pros more smashing power than other rackets, this is as applicable as the rackets to us (maybe not the same rackets though).
    Of course there is a difference. But the pros are paid to use certain rackets in the line-up...and it's not all about smashing for the pros.

    For instance, my coach cares more about feel and speed. He used to use an MP99 and hit significantly harder. Then he switched to an NS7000 and his shots were no longer as powerful. But he didn't care, he cared about how the racket felt and the additional speed he gained.

    If each pro cared most about smashing power, they would use an extreme head heavy racket with lower tension. But this is not the case as we know most players go 28lbs. and up.

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    Though I am very very biased, I suggest the 3U/4U AT700 or AT800. AT700 more so because I've never actually tried the AT800.

    Quote Originally Posted by franxon
    it's alright if you disagree. but make sure you have got what i'm trying to say. lemme rephrase it:

    if you are a hard smasher, choose the pro hard smashers' choices, it won't be too wrong. it might not be the best choice for you, but definitely a safe bet, at least safer than a purchase purely based on the reviews from the crowd.
    Well, Lin Dan has a great hard smash and he plays with the AT700, whereas Fu Hai Feng has the hardest/fastest smash in the world and plays with Ti-10. If we followed your logic, then no one would buy AT700 because the fastest smasher in the world plays Ti-10. Another point, they are professionals. Most of us in here are nowhere near their skill level, so a review from other people here, (not pros) are much better as we can relate to one another. And plus if Chire were not an adapt player, and asked which racquet to use as a beginner, would anyone here suggest an MP100 because its the most powerful racquet? I think not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DinkAlot
    Of course there is a difference. But the pros are paid to use certain rackets in the line-up...and it's not all about smashing for the pros.

    For instance, my coach cares more about feel and speed. He used to use an MP99 and hit significantly harder. Then he switched to an NS7000 and his shots were no longer as powerful. But he didn't care, he cared about how the racket felt and the additional speed he gained.

    If each pro cared most about smashing power, they would use an extreme head heavy racket with lower tension. But this is not the case as we know most players go 28lbs. and up.
    well, as far as i know, chinese national players are NOT paid to use certain models. they gotta choose from Yonex, but which racquet is purely up to themselves. i can't say the same thing for other Yonex sponsored pros though.

    Pros do choose racquets carefully. many factors than smashing power need to consider. that is needless to say. while I'm not saying here that the hard smashers choose racquets that can let them smash the hardest. but that the hard smashers' choices give them satisfacotry smashing performance.

    to exploit my example a bit further, take your coach for example, let's say he's a pro and he's a hard smasher, and he chooses NS7000.

    the conclusion my logic can give you here is NOT that NS7000 is the racket your coach can smash the hardest with, but that NS7000 is a racquet that a pro hard smasher is happy with. so my way doesn't guarantee you find the racquet that suits you best, but a safe enough choice.

    and once again, i suggest so only because Chire doesn't have a chance to try the racquets he wants to buy. i personally think this is a safer way than purchase based on reviews from the crowd. and these are all relatively speaking.

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    i have an armortec 800de 4U G4 and i use it mainly for singles. it's probably the most amazing racquet ive ever used. the control is absolutely unbelievable, one that is un-matched by any raquet. drops, net kills, net shots and receiving smashs are done almost effortlessly. the only negative is that the smashing is not very strong. compared to racquets like at700, mp99 or ns8000, the at800de can't compare.

    im very interseted in getting an at700, and i was wondering if some of you could give me some advice on it, and how its drops, nets, clears, smashes are.

    thnxs !!

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