Thread: New Scoring Format for Doubles
12-21-2005, 02:43 PM #18Originally Posted by chibe_K
12-21-2005, 06:51 PM #19Originally Posted by coops241180
12-21-2005, 07:47 PM #20Originally Posted by ToddieO
"First team to 21, but if score is 20-20 then game goes to 29! If 28-28 then first team to 29 wins"
Yes you did not say max point was 29, but in your above example you gave the impression that it was. Your second sentence confirms when you said at "28-28, the first team to 29 wins", which is incorrect. Both your sentences were misleading, I'm afraid!
12-21-2005, 08:32 PM #21Originally Posted by coops241180
So, just to recap, in the new scoring system, to determine where you should stand, the first important key is who made the last serve in your team (subsequently look at the score, etc), and this is not only true for serving but also receiving, is that correct?
I agree with chibe_K that remembering who started the "first serve" is easier than remembering who made the last serve. This is true especially after long rally
However, my objective is just to make it clear how to keep track the position in the middle of the game, where should I stand (when my team serving or receiving), who should serve, etc. Thanks all, seems I almost clear my doubts about this.
As I am only a social player, and I am quite sure that I will still be using 3x15 scoring whenever I play, like when I play table tennis, always use 3X21 instead of 7X11.
12-21-2005, 09:22 PM #22
I tried the new 21 points for the first time yesterday. My conclusion is that both are fun but I reckon 21 points format is not as tiring as the 15 points format.
However, contrary to coops241180 that if you served last time, then it is certain that it is your partners serve. Maybe we did something wrong cause i remember that i did complain that my partner was serving most of the time.
This leads to my next question, do we switch sides when we won a point even though we are not serving? ie (we are team B), score at love all, team A is serving but lost, so the score now is team A=0 and team B=1, do players from team B switch sides before serving? We did not.
Last edited by Kamen; 12-21-2005 at 09:29 PM.
12-21-2005, 09:29 PM #23Originally Posted by Kamen
you switch only when your team score more than 1 point consecutively, other than that you have to stay at your position.
12-21-2005, 09:32 PM #24
Just a quick question, before the 15x3 scoring system what did they have?
Has it always been 15x3? It's not really badminton anymore if they change the scoring system is it... I mean, If you changed the scoring system rules of football(soccer) then it wouldn't really be football anymore would it? It'll just be some ghey game some guy made up...
12-21-2005, 09:34 PM #25Originally Posted by Kamen
This is simple to remember. If you win a point when serving, obviously you have to serve again. Surely you cannot serve from the same side as your last winning serve, so you switch side to serve. Remember, switching sides in doubles remain exactly the same just like the old system.
12-21-2005, 10:10 PM #26Originally Posted by Kamen
You may have made a mistake in your position with your partner when you find yourself serving again after you lost a point and win it back subsequently. I think Coops' theory should be correct.
One of the aims of the 3x21 points system is to shorten the average game, not only to allow time for TV commercials, but also for the following reasons, IMO:
1. Shorter games mean players should feel less tiring and this should enable them to perform better in the next round.
2. As a result, less injuries to players and this is very important as any injury will cost the professional player money, the longer it takes to recover, the costlier it will be for him. He has no chance to win a major title and prize-money that goes with it. His world ranking will drop as in the case of Singapore's Ronald Susilo (around 50) now.
3. As the duration of a match is more certain, the scheduling of matches becomes easier. In the past, the 3x15 points system gave some tournaments a lot of headache because many matches ran into the rubber game and pre-scheduled matches had to be delayed.
4. Spectators, hopefully, will not have to sit past midnight to see everything. Those without their own transport will be inconvenienced as public transport may not be available or cost twice as much.
5. For the first time, both men and women competitors will adopt the same scoring system. No more discrimination that women play less points because they are weaker.
6. Frankly, newcomers to badminton and TV viewers will find it easier to follow the new scoring system. Points are won on every rally and there is no 'second server'. This will then encourage them to stay longer as they can understand what is going on.
7. And as I have suggested in another related post, we may well expect a higher standard of badminton as the new system really penalizes shoddy badminton.
8. But more important to the IBF is that, hopefully, a tremendous amount of TV income can be generated and this can help the IBF to expand the badminton game to every corner of the earth, raise the awareness and standards of this beautiful feathered game, set up many more training centres around the world, improve the quality of management of the worldwide badminton associations, provide more advanced courses for officials and coaches, etc, etc. See what world soccer has done through FIFA?
So, don't you think we should give the new system a try?
12-21-2005, 10:23 PM #27Originally Posted by vienly
Almost all games have had rules changes, in tennis, soccer, rugby, table tennis, badminton, etc.
Remember rules are set by man to govern the game. What is set by man can be changed by man. Despite what they say, almost all rules changes are to bring in more money. After all the popularity of the game is money-driven. If the governing council officials of any sporting organization ignores this the game will die. The biggest mistake anyone can make is to appoint an ex-super star to be a sporting organization's chairperson because he or she believes that money grows on trees everywhere.
12-21-2005, 10:39 PM #28
Coops, Please don't say its soo simple! It is a new way of scoring for the 3rd time! Now the IBF has the right and will always tinker with our sport. I don't agree with the scoring changes, I prefer best 2 out of 3 to 15. Now you may seem to be a whiz at the new scoring game, but for some of us, Me included it will take many game to undo 20 some years of play! I personally will never play in IBF sanctioned event, nor will you or most of members here! The original question of the thread was asked how to keep track of score. Now we all have our ways, some good some bad? I belive that calling out the score loudly and keeping track of whats going on in the match is the best way to go! The IBF Pro Players will not have this problem, they have Referee's. I say play the game the way you want and try the new scoring if you want. Enjoy the game and keep fit! Peace, going to play right now!
12-21-2005, 10:50 PM #29Originally Posted by ToddieO
12-22-2005, 12:43 AM #30Originally Posted by Loh
12-22-2005, 05:43 AM #31
Ok, what i did was correct then, we only switched sides when we won from our serve.
I will try it out again, i am pretty sure that my partner served twice and thrice consecutively yesterday.
One thing i like about this format is that they will never be a "dead lock" in scores, say 14-11. Scores change all the time!
12-22-2005, 05:53 AM #32Originally Posted by Kamen
but you should always end up taking it in turns serving, if somehow ur partner ends up serving more than once in a row either the score, or where your stood is wrong..
Hope this helps
12-22-2005, 02:05 PM #33Originally Posted by Kamen
12-22-2005, 02:20 PM #34Originally Posted by Loh
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