Ti-10 vs 800Off stiffness

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  1. quik_silver

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    Has anyone experience switching from a Ti-10 to 800Off? Does anyone noticed that the Off is far more stiffer and much diffcult to use?
     
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    i might be wrong. from my hand. i noticed that even a mp99 is a bit stiffer that a ti10!
     
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    I am not sure about MP99 becuase I havent tried it yet.. *Even though I want to try it* Do you have a hard time controlling the bird with the 99?
     
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    i don't have a mp99 neither. both rackets were from my friend.
    i've changed from mp88 back to cab20 recently! :)
     
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    Wow Cab 20, doesnt it feel stiff? my friend told me the Cab 30 was pretty stiff.
     
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    The AT800-OFF is definitely stiffer. The MP99 is stiffer than a Ti-10. Also, as BlueJeff or was it Cooler noted, the Ti-10 gets significantly more flexible over time/use. So a new "stiff" Ti-10, could be "medium" after a couple of years.

    I noticed my Ti-10s were not consistent in stiffness, depending on use.
     
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    nope, it isn't that stiff. but the one in new color is definately stiffer than the old one!
     
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    I had an mp99 from new. I now use Ti-10 exclusively. The thing that gets me every time I pick up a Ti-10 is how stiff it is. The mp99 never had the same effect on me. I imagine if you use a racket for some time, it will bcome less stiff from all the punishment you give it.
     
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    Yes, I have that feeling too. When I first pick it up on a new day, my Ti-10 feels slightly stiff. Maybe my arm and wirst wasn't warmed up? How about you CoolDoob? Your Ti-10 feel heavy when you're warmed up or not warmed up? ;)
     
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    i'd side with you on this one. At similar condition, mp99 is stiffer than ti10
     
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    my feeling is that. the stiffness of a ti10 is between mp88 and mp99 but much closer to mp99. ;)
     
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    All my Ti-10's felt stiff (heavy) when I pick them up whether I am warmed up or not. At the beginning I thought the rackets were too head heavy. When I measured the balance point, it was 295. Compared to my NS8000 at 290, these simply were not particularly head heavy. I then changed the balance point on a Ti-10 to 280, the racket still felt heavy. The stiffness just nagged at me. I never used to have this with the mp99. During play, my mind was elsewhere and I was never affected by the stiffness.
     
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    An additional note: fake Ti-10's tend not to be very stiff. I bought one from ebay and also seen a good player in my club using one. He did a comparison and said he much prefered his racket as it wasn't as heavy/stiff. The easiest way to see if you have a real Ti-10 is to look at the the titanium mesh area at 3 and 9 oclock. The real ti-10 has unpainted but polished meshed metal in these areas. The fake one would have painted design to look like a mesh in the same areas.

    Ti-10 and Ti-8 are the only 2 yonex rackets I know of that have a Super High Repulsive Shaft in the specification. I wonder if the stiffness has something to do with it ?
     
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    Changing Balancing Point

    I got a question for your changing balancing point. How can you actually change the balancing point of your racquet? Isn't it already fixed? And to the case when Ti-10 feels heavy. It doesn't happen to me too often, when it feels heavy is when my arm feels extremely lazy. When my arm is all ready, it's not a problem for me.
     
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    you change it by your overgrip. Have more overgrip on the handle, it tips the balance point to one side. take it off, it switches back :eek: ;)
     
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    Ohhh, I see. Damn, I don't know my science at all. :(
     
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    You can buy lead tape and stick it anywhere you like on the racket to change its balance point. Just one word of warning: changing the weight or balance can potentially injure your arm, unless you have gorilla arms, in which case you might be immune from this kind of problem. First sign of any new pain, reverse what you have done immediately lest the injury would become permanent.
     
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    I might as well just leave it as the way it is. :) To aviod any problems :)
     
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    Yes and no.

    Adding weight to the handle (for example, with an overgrip) will affect the static balance: where the racket balances on your finger.

    It will not, however, have any noticeable effect on the playing characteristics of the racket. This is because the fulcrum of your swing is your hand, which is on the handle.

    Think of it this way:

    Suppose a see-saw is perfectly balanced. Then you add a heavy weight to the centre (fulcrum). The see-saw will remain perfectly balanced.

    Now you add a feather to one end of the see-saw, and it tips :D

    Adding weight to the handle is like adding weight to the see-saw centre. It has almost no effect on the balance, although it does increase the overall weight of the racket.

    So no need to worry about overgrips altering your racket balance. The difference will be very small :)
     
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    I do agree with the point that the overgrip makes little difference. BUT, if you actually use replacement grips, it will make slightly more difference. Since replacement grips are actually more heavier than the overgrips.
     

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