United Opposition to New Rules For those that oppose the "Rally point" and "one serve for doubles" part of the new rules, then please E-mail the following IBF members view a polite and clear request to vote against it at the IBF AGM in Japan, during Thomas and Uber Cups. Hoping at the very least this should indicate there is substantial disagreement with this rule. However there has been some indications that the vote is just a formality. VK Verma Vice President, Asia International Badminton Federation vk.verma@airindia.in Tong Wai Lun Vice President, IOC/UN International Badminton Federation cdcl@netvigator.com Gustavo Salazar Vice President, Panamerica International Badminton Federation gustavos@lapositiva.com.pe Paisan Rangsikitpho Chair Events Committee International Badminton Federation paisanr@gmail.com Cephas Lar Vice President, Africa International Badminton Federation cephaslar@hotmail.com Roger Johansson Chair, IOC & UN affairs International Badminton Federation roger.johansson@rektor.chalmers.se Rudy Hartona Co-Chair, Training Centres and Development Committee International Badminton Federation rudyhartonok@yahoo.com Torsten Berg Vice President, Europe International Badminton Federation tb@fvst.dk Dr Kang Young Joong President International Badminton Federation youngj.kang@edupia.com Mr Korn Thapparansi Immediate Past President International Badminton Federation chatple@hotmail.com This was Datuk Punch Gunalan, Deputy Presidents reply to my last E-mail: "punchgunalan@internationalbadminton.org" <punchgunalan@internationalbadminton.org> 05/01/2006 21:02 To Stuart.Ingram@health.gov.au cc Subject Re: Fw: IBF and Television Dear Stuart, Thanks for your frank comments.I realise that you are not happy with the new scoring system.I have had a few others who also have expressed their dissatisfaction. Please note that the reasons for the proposed change: 1.TV has complained that the they are not able to predict the length of time of every match.At present it takes anything from 15 mins to 2 hrs for a match to finish.We ahve had problems with the T/U cup and the U/Cup finals.The T/C took 7 hours to finish while most stations have booked for 5 hours.The U/Cup was over in 1 1/2 hrs. time and the TV stations had over 3 hrs.time at their hands. The new scoring system ensures that the matches are over by a certain time. (the maximum score would be 30 to 29. and considering a rally to take around 30 secs,the game should be over within 30 mins.). 2.Many sponsors considered Badminton as old fashioned and has not significantly changed the game in 70 yeras. 3.The most important factor to me is the injury to players.Nearly all the top players carry some form of injury.This is basically due to the demand of the game.The Smash in Badminton by a man has been timed at 342 Km/Hr and the woman at 296 Km/Hr. the Tennis serve is only around 270 km/Hr.Moreover in Badminton, a player smashes sometime over 10 times in a rally.This not only makes Badminton the Fastest Racquet Sports but also the Most Extreme Sport in the World. 4.IBF tried the new scoring system during the World Cup at Yiyang,China from the 14th. to 18th.Dec,2005. The result has been very encouraging.The players at first found it difficult to adapt to the new system,however they ahd to concentrate on every stroke as a mistake gives a point to the opponent.At the end of the event most of them prefereed the new system.The news media and the TV were happy as they are now able to time their reports etc. The public loved it as there are more closer games than before and thsi excited the spectators very much. So for the first test the new scoring has stood its ground. As for your comment on TV distribution,you must have only known one side of the story.The 2 co.s we have given the rights have already sold more than what IBF has ever done before.Morover we still have all the rights to promote in Africa and the PanAm (USA). I hope the above explanation will give you an inside to the other side of the coin. regards Punch
Point 3 and 4 are really ridiculous!! Does anyone see the correlation in between smash speed and injuries?? Really, Punch Gunalan is making fun of us fans...
So that we can give them arguments to read, let's list the threads on BF about this topic. Here are a few I found : http://www.badmintonforum.com/vb/showthread.php?t=27000 http://www.badmintonforum.com/vb/showthread.php?t=28852 http://www.badmintonforum.com/vb/showthread.php?t=29344 http://www.badmintonforum.com/vb/showthread.php?t=28864 http://www.badmintonforum.com/vb/showthread.php?t=29643
Well, at least he is doing it the right way. If you disagree write to the people who have the votes, as it should be. But I think it would serve your cause better if you let the new scoring system be used for at least until before the Thomas Cup (end April). This way they cannot accuse you of jumping the gun or pre-judging.
What do you mean? Making fun of fans is doing it the right way?? Giving false arguments to justify something you can not justify?... I suggest you have a look at Neil Cameron's article...
Generally, people are afraid of change. I am one of them. I don't see any problem with 3 x 15 but if the new changes will do good to badminton, i will support it. I reckon we should give some time to try out this new scoring.
If the length of a match is that important (i.e. TV station can predict how much time it will need), why don't the IBF set a time limit on the match (like the car racing)? At the end of 2 hours (or 1 hour), whoever has the highest score wins the match.
Length of time should not be an issue. Look at baseball, tennis, golf, they are all relatively unpredictable.
Maybe Punch Gunalan is trying to say "a faster smash speed means the opponent has to move and react faster than a slower smash speed". A faster reaction time from a player means move faster or stretch further (if he/she is slow). All these actions put extra stresses on a human body and hence more likely for injury.
Length of matches and scoring systems Quite interesting response from Mr. Gunalan. The truth of the matter is that if one considers table tennis, which has been mentioned in some comparisons, in the tournaments I have witnessed, most matches are played best of 5 to 11. However, in the latter rounds, the number of games is increased from best of 5, to best of 7 and even best of 9. This indicates that shortening of matches was just a side effect of making the matches more exciting. (Shorten the less significant matches, while lengthen the more significant matches.) Since the serve in table tennis is essentially a defensive shot (unlike tennis, where it is otherwise), each player/team is afforded an equal number of serves - this has the effect of balancing the field a bit. This also has the effect of making comebacks possible as it lets the other take their turn at server. A side gets to serve twice before yielding the serve to the other side. (Interestingly, even with tennis, this is essentially true. That is, a side gets to serve in a "game" before letting the other side serve.) It just seems that the current team of IBF officials responsible have not done adequate do-diligence (i.e., homework) before proposing a new system. And the assertion that the response is positive is not only premature but overly optimistic.
Table tennis goes to best of 7 Oops. Just checked and found out that at the tournament director's disgression, matches from some point on, for example, round of 16, are best of 7. Previous matches are usually best of 5 lasting less than 30 minutes each.
In table tennis. for men it is best of 7 but for women it is best of 5. Changing from 21 to 11 was regarded by the Chinese as a conspiracy to blunt the Chinese unstoppable machine and they say the 11 point system is too short to preclude some lucky so-so player winning. But they are still number 1. Likewise, changing to the new scoring system in badminton will also result in "changing of the guards". Some mighty players will be humbled. But I still think the Chinese will find the game an added insurance to their current dominance.
i've tried the new system for about 2 months now and i definitely don't like it. in the end, it's just a matter of preference - it's goodbye to comebacks and those exciting endurance matches but if 'bad' goes to worse i'm not gonna stop playing badminton just coz of a scoring change. besides, nobody's stopping me from playing with the old system if i wanted to.
Quite a negative way of thinking if u say tht, but it might well be true, However to me the only way to beat the chinese is to train as hard as the chinese if not harder, chinese are not born shuttlers they are trained shuttlers, dnt believe me?watch them train look at their timetable.How were the chinese able to compete with the americans despite crapper facilities(mayb now they hv better facilities in some cities)?Only clear answer is train harder than the americans could ever believe. Anyway back to the scoring system, i see both good and bad for the new systems, the first 2 points of punch's email make good points and bocoz of tht i support the new system, but according to the varying length of matches i think tennis varies very much as well, but they've got tv coverage like martians caught on tape. some matches take only 30-45mins whereas some goes upto 5 hrs, so whats up with tht?Mayb Tv simply just doesnt like badminton. As for reducing the demand of badminton frooom the players by shotening the match, thts not very good at all, coz b4 this i was proud to be playing one of the most extreme sport in the world but it seems to be gone with the new scoring, and he was pretty much killing his own words saying it would pull out more concentration from the players as every rally is a point, wouldnt tht make it more demanding? Anyway thts my view, any comments are welcomed.I might consider emailing them saying they shld make it 5 sets instead of 3. its too short now, Imagine a Newbie playing in a tournament against the 1st seed, he is told to go home after returning 42 serves...DUH!!!How would u feel if its u!!!???
exactly, it shouldn't be an issue. there are many more ways to accomodate time considerations without shortening the game. someone even made a post about showing matches with some time lags to make time for TV ads - which, as someone else pointed out, most networks are also doing when showing sports events.
here's one idea to make sure TV stations don't mind the length of the games...lol http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=29415&page=3&pp=18
I wonder if they'll reply to us. I hope they care about us more than what ever it is they are trying to do.
If they were to reply then they have to reply to a thousand and one others just like you. But if you send them a message they will read it. But don't be upset if they vote in a way not to your liking.
