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    i know that several threads are going off topic and talking about areas of the badminton england setup. i was just wondering if any has any views/ideas on the coaching setup, in china coaching is given at a higher level and juniors can be sent to live at the NBC in china at young ages. why don't england have anything like this? surely it would improve the quality of badminton here!

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    Without going into too many topics the main points I can see are:

    -Cultural differences between sending their children away from their families and friends. Actually there isn'tmuch of a difference here. In England (as this thread relates to England) many parents send their children away in search of better education and a better life, only they do not send them to badminton school, they send them to private academic schools.

    -Capacity of Badminton England to take these members. We only have one training centre. It has no reputation, no past record of producing winners, few (perhaps none) live-in players, less than world class coaches and no ex players of international experience in the modern game at least to influence the upcoming stars. would you send your child there?

    -Willingness of BE to accept them. In china there maybe at least 3 good schools in a province where there is a chance to break into the national team. This allows much flexibility of the parent to choose different schools and transfer if their child does not get on with the coaches there. Is there that in UK? Would the only national training centre in the UK wish to ttake on even one child at the age of 12 to train them to be a champion, spending massive resources on them only for them to not like it by 18. They would have to take on at least 20. How would they choose these 20?

    -Benefits to the child. They are not going to be rich being a badminton player, in any country. maybe they have some fame in some countries, but wealthy? I don't think so. How long will the career last? less than 15 years at most and are they educated to an acceptable level during training? who pays for this? can they make money after they retire? yes, but are they advantaged over others? no as they are inexperienced in normal work. yes sport is a tremendous asset to reach the peak of, but it does not show you how to keep accounts, or programme a computer. they have to start again afterwards or study whilst playing (as many/most of DEN players do, and even Boonsak an ASIAN player, a superstar in his country is studying for a degree)

    These are just a few examples and questions that cannot be answered imply, if at all. A balance blending the desires and needs of the potential players, the coaches who train them, and parents of the potentials need to be considered. In actual fact although we are not a strong badminton country, a lot of what Badminton England do is actually quite positive, and simply copying other countries training methods will not work. Can we ever produce a player faster than LCW-No, can we ever produce a player more skillful than Taufik-no can we ever produce a player with the near perfect techniques as chen hong-no, as these are products of each individual countries training systems.

    English badminton should aim to blend the strengths of our players, which should be the hunger to win as not a sucessful badminton nation compared with some, and use of our body shapes-tall and strong. Yes we still need sound techniques, good speed training and skills, you need everything to be a top player, but the basis should be our strengths.

    Localized quality part time training at young ages 8-12 several times a week can work, they from the best of those a more focussed group with more specialised training from 12-17 by which time some can be picked for high level training, with still the oppurtunity to study/follow other paths if they desire. Do you know what-we already do this, and it works to the best of our abilities.

    Areas where I believe we can improve is in the improvement of our coaching system and knowledge of the game and open mindedness to new techniques. The coaching system here I think lacks this, as much of what coaches learn is how to be coaches, not what to teach, as this is assumed to be known, however it is not. Effectively a Manual of badminton needs to be produced for England, and all coaches should learn it and when representing BE training schemes must preach it. This way when transferring from area to area and level to level the player will spend less time adjusting to new techniques and throwing away old techniques and more time on improving quickly. Time again we have talented players leave county set-up to national set-up and don't improve as they have to change the way they play to fit their new coaches way. this reverses their progress. In china many players bring their original coaches from province to maintain their continuity, It also helps in china that they tend to train similar ways. In England each coaching area appears to sing from different hymn sheets.

    Hope to hear some constructive comments from people. Be aware that these are only my opinions from my observations, and I have no involvement in any BE affiliated coaching, but believe what I say to be the case from hearsay, and fact.

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    i would liketo see more big specialist badminton centres around the country, i know that englnad is relatively small but it's still a pain if you have to travel 2 or more hours just to get to training (if you have to train at the NBC that is).most sports centres want to be able to offer other facilities rather than badminton, there will be badminton courts marked out but there will also be other lines as well e.g. basketball or a tennis court. having these lines can confuse players and will not benefit from the training as much. i know of another couple of specilist badminton facilities which are at thr RIO in yorkshire and also the university in hertfordshire, these both have great courts with no other lines and the post are built in to the ground. at hertfordshire they have the proper lights and walls are green. this is what badminton england need to take advise from and produce more places to play like this

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    as ive mentioned in other threads i have an hours journey every tuesday to train down at the england nbc in milton keynes. yes its a pian but if you want to improve youve got to be commited to do what it take and i believe training with a fully qualified coach and england international is the best thing i can do at this current time.


    i will never be an international myself - i know that, but i know i am capable in the future of making top quality county if i work hard.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jono Frog
    as ive mentioned in other threads i have an hours journey every tuesday to train down at the england nbc in milton keynes. yes its a pian but if you want to improve youve got to be commited to do what it take and i believe training with a fully qualified coach and england international is the best thing i can do at this current time.


    i will never be an international myself - i know that, but i know i am capable in the future of making top quality county if i work hard.
    what sort of level do you play at the NBC, if your in the world class futures etc. then you will know alot about the training setup

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    Yes jono, what type of training do you receive, who from, how often, and in what ways is this making you better? Who do you train with? Can your situation be improved in anyway (realistically).

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    well i mainly train with paul trueman and basically we have a structured programme of what i will be doing and when i achieve my goal or skill, we move on to something else. the elvel id say is high, im completley knackered after very session.


    at the moment we spend 20 - 30 mins doing court movement with and without shuttle which is very usefull as my movement can be lazy at times. im now finding that when back home playing matches my movement is sooo much better and im getting to shots id have otherwise given up on.

    also working on techniques for different shots, driving with power and placement, service / return of service etc

    its very enjoyable and definately worth it.

    also as other england players are training on courts around me they come over and chip in their ideas like nathan who advised me on my smashing which has never been better. lee jae bok also is a good guy to talk to .

    i train here weekly - 2 hours on a tuesday., it has definately improved my game both mentally and i carry a very positive attitude in to each game, physically as im a hell of a lot fitter and skillfully and my movement is a lot better as are the techniques to the shotsi have covered.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jono Frog
    well i mainly train with paul trueman and basically we have a structured programme of what i will be doing and when i achieve my goal or skill, we move on to something else. the elvel id say is high, im completley knackered after very session.


    at the moment we spend 20 - 30 mins doing court movement with and without shuttle which is very usefull as my movement can be lazy at times. im now finding that when back home playing matches my movement is sooo much better and im getting to shots id have otherwise given up on.

    also working on techniques for different shots, driving with power and placement, service / return of service etc

    its very enjoyable and definately worth it.

    also as other england players are training on courts around me they come over and chip in their ideas like nathan who advised me on my smashing which has never been better. lee jae bok also is a good guy to talk to .

    i train here weekly - 2 hours on a tuesday., it has definately improved my game both mentally and i carry a very positive attitude in to each game, physically as im a hell of a lot fitter and skillfully and my movement is a lot better as are the techniques to the shotsi have covered.
    i guess you have 1 on 1 coaching then instead of group coaching. this is definetely benificial

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    yeah its all one on 1 unlesss i invite a friend along with me which can also be usefull as i allways take a digi cam so if someone is spare they can record clips of me playing shots and i can see what im doing wrong - or rite


    definately the best thing ive done - and paul is such a good laugh on court. **** hot player aswell alltho i did manage to beat him on his defence as a smash of mine went straight thru him and i made him do 10 pressups. after that tho he hammered me!! i ended up doing 40 pressups in the end i think!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jono Frog
    yeah its all one on 1 unlesss i invite a friend along with me which can also be usefull as i allways take a digi cam so if someone is spare they can record clips of me playing shots and i can see what im doing wrong - or rite


    definately the best thing ive done - and paul is such a good laugh on court. **** hot player aswell alltho i did manage to beat him on his defence as a smash of mine went straight thru him and i made him do 10 pressups. after that tho he hammered me!! i ended up doing 40 pressups in the end i think!!
    ouch!!! pressups for mistakes now that is hard training

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    yeah its hard training but by punishing yourself for making mistakes it makes you think about what youre doing. when i first started the training i used to spin the racket around in my hand in between shots apparently - everytime i did it he made me do 5 pressups until eventually i stopped doing it. also i have a habit of doing some trickshots during games - which do more often than not work and look imoressive but also thats not allowed in the training so get punished for that also!


    doesnt stop me doing the tricks at home though. the juniors at the clubs i play for love em!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jono Frog
    yeah its hard training but by punishing yourself for making mistakes it makes you think about what youre doing. when i first started the training i used to spin the racket around in my hand in between shots apparently - everytime i did it he made me do 5 pressups until eventually i stopped doing it. also i have a habit of doing some trickshots during games - which do more often than not work and look imoressive but also thats not allowed in the training so get punished for that also!


    doesnt stop me doing the tricks at home though. the juniors at the clubs i play for love em!
    LOL, when you say trickshots are cross-court netshots included?

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    Is the coaching mainly for singles then?
    Could you write the structure of an entire lesson (2hrs) for us?

    Are all the england players being coached while you are training? what do they do?

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    Jono

    Have you read Ruth's posts on her training stint at IBF Training Centre in Guangzhou?

    How is your programme compared to hers?

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    no i havent read ruths training? where is it at?


    as for writing mine down would take a while. its fairly simple overall. paul asseses me every so often and picks out the things i need to work on and they go to top of the list. we work on different drill until i master that particular thing and move on to something else. yeah most england players are training while i am there - as for what they do, looks like they are all doing different drills aswell with bok. on tues they were doing 3 on 1 by the look of it.

    i play doubles mainly but this training is to improve my technique and skills personally, as for the movement, its designed for me to cover the whole court. if you can cover the court in singles then doubles it will be easy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jono Frog
    no i havent read ruths training? where is it at?


    as for writing mine down would take a while. its fairly simple overall. paul asseses me every so often and picks out the things i need to work on and they go to top of the list. we work on different drill until i master that particular thing and move on to something else. yeah most england players are training while i am there - as for what they do, looks like they are all doing different drills aswell with bok. on tues they were doing 3 on 1 by the look of it.

    i play doubles mainly but this training is to improve my technique and skills personally, as for the movement, its designed for me to cover the whole court. if you can cover the court in singles then doubles it will be easy.
    Jono, this sounds like something I would love to get into.

    As it is one to one there is obviously a cost. How much is this coaching and also how did you get into it?

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    the cost is 50 per session (2 hours) so it isnt cheap but its by far the best coaching ive ever recieved. as for how i got in to it i was lucky. basically every so often (bout twice a year) i organise a gropu of us to go down to milton leynes for the weekend and have a weekend coaching, doing drills etc. i was taklking to paul who took the last group session and was asking him about one to one coaching and he said he had a few places and offered it to me. of course i said yeah and have been going since.

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