Is my Yonex Armortec 800 Offensive broken?

**jerby** · 02-22-2006, 04:07 AM

at our home we have a plastic like thingy..really hard to explain, but it spread the load around the top-grommets..the top 4 really...my suplier said it is a neccesarry for every racket since the later-mp's. works like a charm..
what do you gusy mean by "padding"? like cushions?

**DinkAlot** · 02-22-2006, 04:11 AM

Originally Posted by jerby

at our home we have a plastic like thingy..really hard to explain, but it spread the load around the top-grommets..the top 4 really...my suplier said it is a neccesarry for every racket since the later-mp's. works like a charm..
what do you gusy mean by "padding"? like cushions?

Yes, leather pads to grip the racket frame as well as pad it. I am going to try poly tubing this weekend to see if it grips better.

I have the plastic "protectors" you are talking about. They are OK but you really need more padding.

Regardless of the padding, the stringer (most likely) pulled the 12 and 6 positions way too hard and changed the shape of the racket. I knew a beginning stringer who used to do that and didn't know why he was cracking all his rackets...until I told him to stop tighting so much.

**jerby** · 02-22-2006, 04:12 AM

poly tubing?
could you take a picture of your leather-pads? are they on all supports? or just the 12 and 6 'o clocks?

**DinkAlot** · 02-22-2006, 04:15 AM

Originally Posted by jerby

poly tubing?
could you take a picture of your leather-pads? are they on all supports? or just the 12 and 6 'o clocks?

The leather pads are home made, just get a leather piece, cut out and put them on all the supports, anywhere the racket makes contact with the stringing machine. It provides padding and friction. Good stuff...

...I'm going to try poly tubing because it grips better.

**jerby** · 02-22-2006, 04:19 AM

Originally Posted by DinkAlot

The leather pads are home made, just get a leather piece, cut out and put them on all the supports, anywhere the racket makes contact with the stringing machine. It provides padding and friction. Good stuff...

...I'm going to try poly tubing because it grips better.

ah I see...that's also the only problem I've got with my plastic insert. with out the sidesupports the racket can turn a lot..

**forrestyung** · 02-22-2006, 04:25 AM

Originally Posted by DinkAlot

Actually, if the stringer stretched the 12 and 6 o'clock positions too much, it doesn't matter if it's a 2, 4, 6, 8, 10 point machine, the racket frame is already distorted.

I always leave spaces at 12 and 6 o'clock position in my 2 points machine, can help but not essential, deboss still can be found, but the degree will be lighter. On the other hand, I always use up all the lenght of 12 and 6 o'clock position with my store's 4 points machine and this problem never exist. When you get two stringing machine, you can make a comparision.

But would it to be the problem 12' and 6' o'clock is too tight and the electronic machine is too powerfull????

**Break-My-String** · 02-22-2006, 04:25 AM

After being re-strung, was the head of the racquet the same (oval) shape as your posted pic?

If yes, then the stringer has distorted the Iso-shape / design and caused the frame to fail.

Cheers!

**forrestyung** · 02-22-2006, 04:28 AM

Originally Posted by DinkAlot

The leather pads are home made, just get a leather piece, cut out and put them on all the supports, anywhere the racket makes contact with the stringing machine. It provides padding and friction. Good stuff...

...I'm going to try poly tubing because it grips better.

I am current using the remaining handle grips to be the cushion (or padding), the result is quite good, but need time to stick each thin grips to be a thick cushion.

**s239rt** · 02-22-2006, 04:57 AM

hey dude, no worries, you are in CANADA right? I am from Vancouver and one of my friends had an experience like that with one of the Sport Chek stores here... However, (I was with him when we pick up the racquet) we found a crack right away around the same location except it is outside instead of a instead crack. We of course stood in front of the counter and talked to the manager. But anyhow, at the end, my friend got a brand new NS8000(same as cracked racquet) except his old one is SP and this new one is CD(dis code). I presonally worked in big chain retail stores myself before. Something like that if you can prove it is the Stringer's fault or his machine(which is the same to me either way), YOU SHOULD definitely be able to get a new replacement even though they might not SELL the same item in store. In this case, the manager told us the store ended up paying for a new NS 8000 CD cause the SP wasn't qualify for claiming in Yonex Canada. Just keep in mind, this is what you have to do, argue with them that the crack is an inside crack(so is not caused by a clash) and STAND YOUR GROUND... Make a scene if you have to (get emotional if you have to). At work, I have seen customers get away with exchanging things that should not be eligible for exchange BECAUSE they just keep on fighting with the manager. AGAIN, in your case, you should feel no shame on getting a replacement as they are the ones who SCREWED it up. Hope this help. Good luck

**malayali** · 02-22-2006, 07:08 AM

Where can I buy the Gosen type plastic insert that you have mentioned here ???

Originally Posted by Pete LSD

I doubt it was strung by a two-point machine. The most likely cause is an electronic machine with six-point support. The dude who did the string job didn't put leather padding or Gosen type plastic insert to cushion the load. Electronic tension head pulls very hard even at 22 lbs. The head post doesn't have enough area to spread the load. As a result, the frame in that specific area collapsed!

**daMaster** · 02-22-2006, 07:35 AM

Originally Posted by s239rt

hey dude, no worries, you are in CANADA right? I am from Vancouver and one of my friends had an experience like that with one of the Sport Chek stores here... However, (I was with him when we pick up the racquet) we found a crack right away around the same location except it is outside instead of a instead crack. We of course stood in front of the counter and talked to the manager. But anyhow, at the end, my friend got a brand new NS8000(same as cracked racquet) except his old one is SP and this new one is CD(dis code). I presonally worked in big chain retail stores myself before. Something like that if you can prove it is the Stringer's fault or his machine(which is the same to me either way), YOU SHOULD definitely be able to get a new replacement even though they might not SELL the same item in store. In this case, the manager told us the store ended up paying for a new NS 8000 CD cause the SP wasn't qualify for claiming in Yonex Canada. Just keep in mind, this is what you have to do, argue with them that the crack is an inside crack(so is not caused by a clash) and STAND YOUR GROUND... Make a scene if you have to (get emotional if you have to). At work, I have seen customers get away with exchanging things that should not be eligible for exchange BECAUSE they just keep on fighting with the manager. AGAIN, in your case, you should feel no shame on getting a replacement as they are the ones who SCREWED it up. Hope this help. Good luck

Thanks for the tips. My initial plan is to go back to Sports Experts this evening and fight with them until they agree to give me a new racket. By "fight", I mean discuss and argue in a politically correct manner.

**SPaterson** · 02-22-2006, 08:16 AM

Originally Posted by daMaster

Thanks for the tips. My initial plan is to go back to Sports Experts this evening and fight with them until they agree to give me a new racket. By "fight", I mean discuss and argue in a politically correct manner.

Sounds like a plan,

In my experience, chain-stores generally end up giving in. I've had a couple of racquets previously in my earlier badminton years where I used the factory string, and the string broke, not at all damaging the racquet, but I got them to RMA the racquet for me and give me a brand new one straight away (as they didn't have re-stringing services at their store), - And it was because Factory string Isn't really meant to break on most brands' racquets. (e.g. it's high strength, 0.75 to 0.9mm usually, but not for all brands at all, nor higher end racquets usually).

You should be able to get it replaced, just be firm and state you've got other stringers' opinions on the matters Etc., but be respectful at the same time remembering they won't just replace the racquet straight away if you walk in there being plain rude

Good luck!

**MING PARIS** · 02-22-2006, 09:14 AM

If they don't give you a new one ,don't go back to this shop ,but sand it to paris or anyone come to paris ,I can repair with epoxy glue and glass fiber!
MING good luck!

Originally Posted by daMaster

Thanks for the tips. My initial plan is to go back to Sports Experts this evening and fight with them until they agree to give me a new racket. By "fight", I mean discuss and argue in a politically correct manner.

**Pete LSD** · 02-22-2006, 12:40 PM

http://www.gosen.co.jp/racket_sports...ool/index.html

The item number is GMHAB - head and throat support.

They are available from shuttle-house.com

http://shuttle-house.com/page_top_JA..._guidance.html

Originally Posted by malayali

Where can I buy the Gosen type plastic insert that you have mentioned here ???

**malayali** · 02-22-2006, 01:23 PM

Thanks a lot Peter, but i dont know how to read from that website or how to order it.... Is there a translation for this or can someone order it for me.....

Originally Posted by Pete LSD

http://www.gosen.co.jp/racket_sports...ool/index.html

The item number is GMHAB - head and throat support.

They are available from shuttle-house.com

http://shuttle-house.com/page_top_JA..._guidance.html

**DinkAlot** · 02-22-2006, 04:34 PM

Originally Posted by forrestyung

I am current using the remaining handle grips to be the cushion (or padding), the result is quite good, but need time to stick each thin grips to be a thick cushion.

That's a witty use of the grip. I may try that, thanks!

**cooler** · 02-22-2006, 05:20 PM

Originally Posted by forrestyung

Sorry for mistyped the word.

If Sports Experts is a large retailer, the chance of using 2 points machine is quite low. DaMaster, do you have any idea??

sportchek and sport experts are sport chain stores here.

if one is lucky, their stringing will just warp your racket, missing grommets, wrong tension and other laughable mishaps (one job i saw a ti6 that look almost like a perfect circle)

if ur unlucky, u get inflicted with some kind of kiss of death diseased string job like in this case