Yonex should re-introduce Ti-10?

**taneepak** · 03-15-2006, 07:03 PM

Originally Posted by DinkAlot

Really?

If that's the case, then if I'm able to purchase UHMG rackets for $45-$65 USD, then that should be an excellent price, yes?

Assuming everything else being equal.

The top grade UHMG now sells for US$2,000 per kilo. I wonder how your UHMG racquets can be so inexpensive.

**chessymonkey** · 03-15-2006, 07:05 PM

yah but when's the last time u see a racket's price actually
is proportion to its material cost..

**BadFever** · 03-15-2006, 07:54 PM

a friend of mine just brought back a Ti-10 3U from HK last month. He didn't like it, claiming the head is too heavy and offer AUS$120 to me (only used once). Since I haven't bought any racket after Cab20, I am thinking of getting the racket. Is it a good price (if genuine)? or should I offer him cheaper?

**taneepak** · 03-15-2006, 09:42 PM

You will be surprised to learn that 1 kilo of UHMG is enough to make 30 racquets, meaning that only about 30g-33g goes into each racquet. The rest are resins, paint (very heavy if spray-painted, like in Yonex and almost all racquets), and materials at the handle end. There is no way they are going to use the very top grade UHMG for racquets anymore. UHMG requires too much energy, and crude oil is no longer US$20/bbl. Now it is back to mass-2U racquets, wide cross-section frame, etc. To make a frame similar in power to the old Yonex Swingpower racquet, which could use very slim and narrow cross-section frame because of good grade UHMG, today's racquets have to resort to heavier and bulkier frames to control torque and maintain stiffness.

**aquaboi** · 03-15-2006, 10:07 PM

i like the new color. it's refreshing. saw one at a shop here in singapore (bras basah) when i bought the NS6K and they were selling it to me for SGD165 with strings and free grip and thermal bag...haven't tried the old Ti-10 though but it looks good and i might just buy one to try it out

**taneepak** · 03-15-2006, 10:37 PM

It would be interesting to find out if a 2U racquet will drop down to a 3U or even 4U if all that paint is stripped off.

**zzz...** · 03-15-2006, 11:50 PM

Originally Posted by taneepak

The cost of UHMG is probably 10 times more than HMG now. Also manufacturers have the right to change the type of materials used. The same applies to a change in colour.

I agree manufacturer has the right to make changes, but they should not say everything is the same as the old one, except the colour. That is just simply not right of putting it.

**zzz...** · 03-15-2006, 11:53 PM

Originally Posted by taneepak

The top grade UHMG now sells for US$2,000 per kilo. I wonder how your UHMG racquets can be so inexpensive.

Hmm.... sounds like it is a good time to get more UHMG rackets now, and UHMG rackets will be lesser in production.

**taneepak** · 03-16-2006, 12:02 AM

Originally Posted by zzz...

I agree manufacturer has the right to make changes, but they should not say everything is the same as the old one, except the colour. That is just simply not right of putting it.

Only written data from manufacturers should be used. If the new Ti10 says HMG whereas the old Ti10 has UHMG, they are just being honest in telling you the two are different. I don't think you can rely on verbal information.

**DinkAlot** · 03-16-2006, 05:48 AM

Originally Posted by taneepak

The top grade UHMG now sells for US$2,000 per kilo. I wonder how your UHMG racquets can be so inexpensive.

These are 2-3 years old True Speed rackets that have been discontinued.

**jerby** · 03-16-2006, 10:04 AM

Originally Posted by taneepak

You will be surprised to learn that 1 kilo of UHMG is enough to make 30 racquets, meaning that only about 30g-33g goes into each racquet. The rest are resins, paint (very heavy if spray-painted, like in Yonex and almost all racquets), and materials at the handle end. There is no way they are going to use the very top grade UHMG for racquets anymore. UHMG requires too much energy, and crude oil is no longer US$20/bbl. Now it is back to mass-2U racquets, wide cross-section frame, etc. To make a frame similar in power to the old Yonex Swingpower racquet, which could use very slim and narrow cross-section frame because of good grade UHMG, today's racquets have to resort to heavier and bulkier frames to control torque and maintain stiffness.

is "nanocarbon" a solution then?

**zzz...** · 03-16-2006, 11:28 AM

Originally Posted by taneepak

Only written data from manufacturers should be used. If the new Ti10 says HMG whereas the old Ti10 has UHMG, they are just being honest in telling you the two are different. I don't think you can rely on verbal information.

Agree... very curious what is the racket performance...

**SPaterson** · 03-16-2006, 12:44 PM

Originally Posted by taneepak

The top grade UHMG now sells for US$2,000 per kilo. I wonder how your UHMG racquets can be so inexpensive.

I don't want to turn this into a crap debate or anything, and I'd happily be corrected if I'm completely or even slightly wrong in the following, however...

'Top grade', 'Ultra', and 'High' are all Variable terms. For example, when using a 2U racquet, I would consider it fairly heavy, however I know people who play at a perfectly good level, that use racquets that are for example a 100g frame weight, and I would consider that Extremely heavy, however not so to them; they would not consider My 2U racquet as heavy, they consider that light, and their racquet normal or 'fairly heavy' as I consider mine.

Unless there is a Standard you're talking about, where 'Top Grade Ultra High Modulus Graphite' is defined in a FIXED numerical definition, then One racquet company could have a racquet containing higher modulus graphite than their other racquets, and thus call it 'Ultra High Modulus Graphite', whereas another company may only call their racquet a 'High Modulus Graphite' Racquet while it contains the same or higher modulus graphite.

I don't know much about Suppliers of manufacturers of graphite, but it seems to me, for describing racquets, it'd be Far more precise to state some form of numerical density or whatever for the quality/modulus of graphite. I'm not sure Tensile strength would suffice either, as this is effected by certain processes in racquet manufacture, is it not?

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Anyway!

New Ti-10s, mmm. Interesting if they truly are real, seems confirmed but, I'm still sceptical

Would be in an interesting racquet to try, IF they are At Least closely similar to the originals; I quite like 2U even-balance to head-heavy-balance racquets for doubles, and there's a couple I'd like to try (even though that's stated as head-light).

Would probably, if it is real, please a lot of people I know if it's back

, of course, at the moment, they'd still have to import...I wonder if these are being planned to get supplied to other countries (by proper badminton/yonex shops / distributors in our own respective countries) where the fan-base for Ti-10s May or May not be as large?

**taneepak** · 03-16-2006, 05:51 PM

A well designed UHMG racquet has one distinctive feature, and that is it is built for speed. Look at the slim cross section of the frame. Try to get a Yonex Swingpower and compare its frame cross-section with all the other top grade racquets. Without UHMG the slim cross-section will kaput when hitting power shots. Just look at the AT800OF cross-section, it is like a giant box-shaped lumbering slow coach.

**Matt** · 03-21-2006, 02:14 PM

BBESports has the new Ti-10 listed on their website. Pictures are nice and clean and it does say HMG on it.

http://www.bbesports.com/yonex/images/racket/ti10_0.jpg
http://www.bbesports.com/yonex/images/racket/TI10.jpg
http://www.bbesports.com/yonex/images/racket/TI10_1.jpg

**malayali** · 03-21-2006, 02:55 PM

Hopefully Ti-10's will be re-introduced in the US market with the new design...

**bluejeff** · 03-21-2006, 04:37 PM

Originally Posted by Matt

BBESports has the new Ti-10 listed on their website. Pictures are nice and clean and it does say HMG on it.

http://www.bbesports.com/yonex/images/racket/ti10_0.jpg
http://www.bbesports.com/yonex/images/racket/TI10.jpg
http://www.bbesports.com/yonex/images/racket/TI10_1.jpg

It seems like the new Ti-10 has lots of changes from the old one as :
1. Head Light balance (used to be balanced or a little head-heavy)
2. HMG (used to be UHMG)
3. I wonder if the head paint is no longer "matte"?
4. String holes near the joint is now with MP grommets.