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02-17-2006, 01:25 AM #1
Gade & Hidayat blast new badminton scoring system
Kwun: Please excuse the double post. I felt that this might get lost in the forum and that these two articles deserve their own thread.
Yahoo! Singapore Sports
Tuesday January 17, 11:17 PM
Gade blasts new badminton scoring system
Former world number one Peter Gade has launched a scathing attack on the new scoring system which is about to start on the world circuit.
The International Badminton Federation (IBF) recently decided to adopt point-per-rally 21-up scoring, which will be introduced soon after this week's All-England Open championships here have finished.
The IBF believes this system will be easier to understand than the traditional hand-in hand-out 15-up scoring for all events except women's singles (11-up), which has been the norm since organized badminton began more than a century ago.
But there appears to be plenty of dissent against 21-up scoring, and Gade, who will be trying to regain the All-England title this week, feels the same way.
"I don't think the IBF will like the new system," he asserted. "It is very clear to me that this is a political matter.
"Table tennis had this scoring for 50 years. They changed from this (to 11-up) with great success but those running badminton, they look at it, and say 'we want your old system and we think it will do good'.
"I can't see any reason for doing that. We had an opportunity to vote for a more intense and exciting game. It has been exciting only from about 10-all or 11-all and now, moving to 21, but it will become even worse."
"I think this is political, because Asia dismissed the five games to seven-up system and have regretted it, but won't go back to it again. Five to seven is best for badminton and I really wish it would be part of the future."
Gade is referring to is the political conflict within the IBF between Asia and its supporters and Europe and its supporters, which recently led to three different scoring systems being adopted within two years on the world circuit.
Although the five to seven experiment produced a faster, shorter, and more unpredictable version of the sport, it was not endorsed by the IBF's annual meeting.
And when the IBF council adopted an unheard of combination of scoring - men's singles and doubles to 15-up but any event involving a woman (women's singles and doubles and mixed doubles) to be played to 11-up - a bitter controversy developed.
It provoked dissent from more than 30 countries, causing an extraordinary general meeting which forced the IBF to back down, and brought the compromise of a return to traditional scoring.
Gade believes the imposition of the latest scoring system is a political reaction to that; the players will discuss their reaction to it at their annual meeting this week.
"But I don't think the players can do anything about it," the Dane said. "When we expressed our opinion to the IBF before, nothing happened. I don't think the players' opinions will matter.
"And when so many Asian players are dominated by associations and their governments it is almost impossible."
"We can send signals to the media. And every time I am asked I will react in the same way. But the IBF is in control and as long as it's like this, it's very hard for the players to change anything.
Meanwhile a complaint from Denmark about the IBF-made draw for the All-England championships has caused the men's doubles to be redrawn.
"If this draw was made by computer then one would expect a review of the programme," said Finn Traerup, the Danish performance director. "But I would think this has been made by hand.
"There are too many glitches which makes it critical to get the review because the IBF website lacks information and we don't know how people earn their ranking points any more."
Hidayat blasts the new scoring system
The Indonesian wants to build a consensus to try and change it for the better of the game
Posted online: Monday, February 13, 2006 at 0000 hours IST
JAIPUR, FEBRUARY 12: He’s been at it since 1999 when he was just 17. But now, yet again, the World and Olympic champion Taufik Hidayat of Indonesia will have to wait for another year to fulfill his dream of winning the All-England Championships. At 24, he has already made the finals twice and was hoping to go one better this year. Only, fate had other plans in store.
‘‘This is probably one All-England I don’t regret missing because I had to prepare for my marriage on February 4,’’ said the former World No. 1 on the sidelines of the Asian Zone preliminaries of the Thomas and Uber Cup qualifiers here.
The only player in history ever to win the Olympic gold and the World Championships, doing so in 2004 and 2005, respectively, Hidayat’s ranking has dropped to 10, but that doesn’t bother him one bit.
“I missed the Swiss and German Open due to a knee injury, apart from missing the All England championship. That has affected my rankings, but I am back,” he said. That’s bad news for his rivals, especially world number one China’s Lin Dan, whom he had thrashed 15-3, 15-7 to become the world champion.
This will be Hidayat’s first tournament according to the new rally-scoring system which awards points after every rally and the game is decided at 21. He hardly seemed happy about it. ‘‘I don’t like the new system at all and so far as I am aware, none of the top players like it either. It’s too fast. I am going to take it up with the other players during the Thomas and Uber Cup finals in Japan and see what can be done,’’ he said. Recently, World No 6 Dane Peter Gade Christiansen had blasted the new scoring system as well.
Incidentally, this is Hidayat’s first visit to India and he didn’t sound too impressed with the arrangements. ‘‘Apart from accommodation problems — the rooms aren’t quite to my liking because of the faulty cooling system - there is also the problem of birds flying inside the stadium apart from a disturbing draft,’’ he said, before formally ending the interview session.
02-18-2006, 12:20 AM #2
wow, even Gade saying that thier opinions dont' matter, if they dont even care what teh Pro's think - begs the question as to who's opinions do matter to the IBF ..... surely Not badminton players. Thats kinda scary.
Last edited by wedgewenis; 02-18-2006 at 12:23 AM.
02-18-2006, 12:23 AM #3
India enter finals; Indonesia survive Thailand scare
By Dev S Sukumar in Jaipur
Jaipur, February 17: India booked a place in the Thomas Cup finals with a surprisingly one-sided result over Hong Kong at the Asian Zone preliminaries in Jaipur on Friday. The Indian women, however, were overwhelmed by Singapore, who dashed their hopes of qualifying.
Advantaged by a scoring system that places more accent on skill than on stamina, India again set the pace when Chetan Anand caught world no.10 Ng Wei off-guard with his gentle flicks and double-action tosses. Once the breach had been achieved, Hong Kong were always staving off the attack. They equalised in the second match, but Indian national champion Anup Sridhar again showed far too much variety for Yohan Hadikusuma in the third singles game. The Indian doubles team of Rupesh Kumar and Sanave Thomas then buried Hong Kong's challenge with yet another surprise result.
The new 21-point scoring system has been the topic of much debate, and IBF Deputy President Punch Gunalan even called a press conference on Friday to defend it.
But late on Friday, an unprecedented disaster seemed ready to unfold as Thailand led 2-0 against Indonesia. Olympic champion Taufik Hidayat and bronze medallist Sony Dwi Kuncoro were both dumped in the singles, by Boonsak Ponsana and Poompat S respectively. Had Thailand clinched one more match, Indonesia would have been out of the Thomas Cup, and that too even without making the finals! Such a result would have led to an immediate debate on the scoring system, especially as Taufik has made his dislike for it public.
But Indonesia's doubles teams saved the day. Piloted by the crafty Christian Hadinata from the coaches' bench, Luluk Hadiyanto and Alvin Yulianto reduced the deficit to 1-2 and then Markis Kido and Hendra Setiawan equalised at 2-2.
But the task was not done. It required the baby-faced Simon Santoso to hold his nerve against Peerasak W, which the youngster did quite easily, much to the relief of the Indonesian contingent, comprising of Hadinata, Rudy Hartono, Lius Pongoh, and other legends.
Indonesia thus topped Group B and will take on Group A toppers Malaysia in the semifinals of the Asian Zone. The other semis will pit Group C toppers India against Group D toppers Korea.
Indonesia's women, however, missed the bus by coming fourth in the group. Although they narrowly beat Chinese Taipei on Friday, they'd lost to Malaysia 2-3, while Chinese Taipei had beaten Malaysia 3-2.
Thomas Cup: India bt Hong Kong 3-2 (Chetan Anand bt Ng Wei 26-24, 21-19; Agus Hariyanto bt Arvind Bhat 21-12, 21-16; Anup Sridhar bt Yohan Hadikusuma 17-21, 21-18, 21-12; Rupesh Kumar/ Sanave Thomas bt Albertus Susanto / Wa Kwog Liu 11-21, 21-18, 21-10; Agus Hariyanto/ Yohan Hadikusuma bt V Diju/ Jaseel Ismail 21-15, 14-21, 21-17).
Indonesia bt Thailand 3-2: Boonsak Ponsana (Tha) bt Taufik Hidayat 22-20, 21-19; Poompat S (Tha) bt Sony Kuncoro 21-19, 13-21, 21-10; Luluk H/ Alven Y bt Sudket Prapakamol/ Patapol N 21-13, 21-19; Markis Kido/ Hendra Setiawan bt Songpol A/ Nitipong S 21-14, 21-15; Simon Santoso bt Peerasak W 21-13, 21-11)
Group A: 1-Malaysia 2-Iran 3-Pakistan 4-Nepal
Group B: 1-Indonesia 2-Thailand 3-Vietnam
Group C: 1-India 2-Hong Kong 3- Singapore
Group D: 1-Korea 2-Chinese Taipei 3-Sri Lanka
Uber Cup: Singapore bt India 5-0 (Li Li bt Aparna Popat 16-21, 21-13, 21-16; Xing Aiying bt Saina Nehwal 21-15, 19-21, 21-17; Jiang Yanmei bt Meenakshi 24-22, 21-8; Jiang Yanmei/ Li Yuija bt Jwala G/ Shruti K 21-12, 21-18; Xing Aiying/ Mulya Shinta bt Saina Nehwal/ Aparna Balan 21-14, 21-15)
Group Y: 1-Korea 2-Chinese Taipei 3-Malaysia 4-Indonesia 5-Iran
Group Z: 1-Hong Kong 2-Singapore 3-India 4-Thailand 5-Pakistan
02-18-2006, 12:28 AM #4
"its not as much about skill - its whoever's lucky that day" - Tony Gunawan
02-18-2006, 01:32 AM #5
I hope all the top pros would come up together as a band and boycott the tournament in protest to the new scoring system
02-18-2006, 04:51 AM #6
Originally Posted by Iwan
02-18-2006, 11:54 PM #7
i wouldn't be vehemently opposed to 5x9
02-19-2006, 03:36 AM #8
As to whose opinions matter, its obviously MONEY'S...
Besides tht, i think some pros like taufik complains too much about it rather than spend more time traning for it...Unlike the msians, not many has voice disagreement but only say they need to be careful, and in fact yap kim hock(head coach) has said that alot of time has to be spent to help the players get used to the new system...rather than whining how bad it is...
But tho that said, i personally dnt like the new system either lol, i force myself to like it and train for it, but i also hope that they'll change it back, looking at the bright side, at least its better than the 7x5 to me...
02-19-2006, 04:31 AM #9
PG should resign from the IBF officials if they're back to an old scoring, I hope it would happen.
02-19-2006, 11:26 PM #10
some body should punch punch in the head ?
meh, I could care less, but it would sucks of the scoring does change. y should we change it anyway? for a bunch of ppl in north america? or to be on tv? nascar or tennis could last 4 hours yet they still aired it. a champion league final match could last more than 2 hours yet it is still aired?
02-19-2006, 11:56 PM #11
Hafiz was true, they robbed already the art of badminton and now they changed it into badminton F1 super race. Hahahahahaa............
03-10-2006, 09:29 PM #12
Since Gade and Hidayat (and the other top players) voiced-out their sentiments against the new scoring system, does anyone know if the 21-rally point system is gaining or losing support?
How have the recent official IBF tournaments affected the opinions of the top players?
Does it look like IBF will officially adopt the 21-rally point system?
Last edited by MikeJ; 03-10-2006 at 09:31 PM.
03-10-2006, 10:37 PM #13
Interesting that Taufik hasn't played much to say he doesn't like the new system.
03-10-2006, 11:09 PM #14
Originally Posted by MikeJ
If china does badly in china open, LYB will look bad because he kinda supported the 21 pt system
Last edited by cooler; 03-10-2006 at 11:13 PM.
03-11-2006, 02:26 AM #15
Originally Posted by rhinovinda
03-11-2006, 02:27 AM #16
Originally Posted by Trance
03-11-2006, 03:01 AM #17
It is expected and normal that top players blast the new scoring system. Why not, its the old scoring system that take them to the top !!!! Now they all feel being threaten by the new system, which favor others that they have beaten before.
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