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    Default Kason TSF 300 vs SoTx Woven 12

    Hi all,

    I'm thinking to get a Non-Yonex brand racquet and I am kinda interesting in these two racquets above, has anyone try them out before? If yes, would like to hear some comments from you~!! Thanks All!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by TLCal
    Hi all,

    I'm thinking to get a Non-Yonex brand racquet and I am kinda interesting in these two racquets above, has anyone try them out before? If yes, would like to hear some comments from you~!! Thanks All!!
    I've tried a Kason TSF 200. Really nice racket. Solid design, powerful and really stiff. I haven't seen a TSF 300 yet, not sure if available in USA yet. I'm sure it is a really nice racket too.

    Do you know where to buy one in California?

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    Stickman to Stickman : Is TSF 200 a 3U racquet?

    Quote Originally Posted by Viper2005
    I've tried a Kason TSF 200. Really nice racket. Solid design, powerful and really stiff. I haven't seen a TSF 300 yet, not sure if available in USA yet. I'm sure it is a really nice racket too.

    Do you know where to buy one in California?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pete LSD
    Stickman to Stickman : Is TSF 200 a 3U racquet?
    Yes, the TSF 200 that I have is a 3UG4.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Viper2005
    I've tried a Kason TSF 200. Really nice racket. Solid design, powerful and really stiff. I haven't seen a TSF 300 yet, not sure if available in USA yet. I'm sure it is a really nice racket too.

    Do you know where to buy one in California?
    HELLO EVERYONE!! I'm new here. I like TSF300A and TSF200,they're both very stable and powerful. Viper2005 vbmenu_register("postmenu_363731", true); you can contact Mr. Lei Cai,
    He is in charge the KASON Racket Supply in CA,Tel: 408-873-0188

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    I just had dinner with Lei and he tells me the shipment of TSF 300 won't be available till late October. I'm sure I can get a demo before that.

    Quote Originally Posted by supercwn
    HELLO EVERYONE!! I'm new here. I like TSF300A and TSF200,they're both very stable and powerful. Viper2005 vbmenu_register("postmenu_363731", true); you can contact Mr. Lei Cai,
    He is in charge the KASON Racket Supply in CA,Tel: 408-873-0188

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    Quote Originally Posted by TLCal
    Hi all,

    I'm thinking to get a Non-Yonex brand racquet and I am kinda interesting in these two racquets above, has anyone try them out before? If yes, would like to hear some comments from you~!! Thanks All!!
    Haven't tried the TSF 300 (there are 2 versions 300A and 300D with different flex). I like the woven 12 much more than the TSF-200/3U.. (I haven't tried out the 4U version of TSF-200)..

    Cheers,
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    The Tsf300 has the original Arcustec that makes counterforce up to 5% better. And the design of the racket is very unusual,it might be the best looking ever..

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    I own and tried a woven 12 (ltd edition) It's a good racket, no doubt. It's stable, solid, quick and very easy-to-use. (because it's shorter than what I'm used to: from 675 to 670mm, but the change is easy)
    the downside is that it's not very powerfull ( my at500, woven 7/10/11/13 all hit harder)

    a nice racket, and very playable. but no bazooka

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    Quote Originally Posted by supercwn
    The Tsf300 has the original Arcustec that makes counterforce up to 5% better. And the design of the racket is very unusual,it might be the best looking ever..
    "original arcustec that makes Counterforce 5% better".. what marketing manager with mouth diarea formulated that sentence .. what a load of bull sh*t..

    These kind of statements is what makes me look at other rackets!!! (I guess this is not the intent).

    /Twobeer

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    From what I heard, Kason is designing the TSF-300 to withstand 35lb tension.

    If I get one, I'm gonna string it to 32-35 lbs and see what that feels like.

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    Quote Originally Posted by twobeer
    "original arcustec that makes Counterforce 5% better".. what marketing manager with mouth diarea formulated that sentence .. what a load of bull sh*t..

    These kind of statements is what makes me look at other rackets!!! (I guess this is not the intent).

    /Twobeer
    twobeer,
    of course you can get other rackets,but please respect people.

    Viper2005, ,it's not the tsf200. better not to string that high,I use 28LBS and keep the rest of 2LBS to protect it.
    Last edited by supercwn; 09-14-2006 at 04:34 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by supercwn
    twobeer,
    of course you can get other rackets,but please respect people.
    I most certainly respect people.. But dont feel I have to respect silly or misleading statements...

    Please define "5% better Counterforce"? Counterforce.. force countering what??? 5% better than what??

    This is typical marketing babble (mumbo jumbo)..

    It would be like saying the new NS7700 is 9% more responsive than NS7000 and 3% more powerful, and 2% more accurate..

    Its simply a load of bullsh..t (I love the Penn&Teller show with that name btw)..

    /T

    P.S. And also I have to admit, I get a bit suspicious when a new member suddenly enters the forum.. talking about how super-duper mega-great a new model is, and how to contact the retailers, business to help forum members do an informed purchase
    Last edited by twobeer; 09-14-2006 at 06:24 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by twobeer
    I most certainly respect people.. But dont feel I have to respect silly or misleading statements...

    Please define "5% better Counterforce"? Counterforce.. force countering what??? 5% better than what??

    This is typical marketing babble (mumbo jumbo)..

    It would be like saying the new NS7700 is 9% more responsive than NS7000 and 3% more powerful, and 2% more accurate..

    Its simply a load of bullsh..t (I love the Penn&Teller show with that name btw)..

    /T

    P.S. And also I have to admit, I get a bit suspicious when a new member suddenly enters the forum.. talking about how super-duper mega-great a new model is, and how to contact the retailers, business to help forum members do an informed purchase
    good suspicion, however you're wrong, I swear that I'm not a merchant! I'm new here but no to badminton. some of my friends are pro badminton players.They've taught me a lot. What do you think the force countering with? a basketball or a football?
    the statement that I translated from kason web. soryy if it's not accurate.
    P.S I'm here to make some friends, no wars...

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    Quote Originally Posted by supercwn
    good suspicion, however you're wrong, I swear that I'm not a merchant! I'm new here but no to badminton. some of my friends are pro badminton players.They've taught me a lot.
    Thats all good. I am certanly not on a crusade against you
    But if you just translate some marketing mumbo jumbo on a website (without mentioning the origin, or being able to back up the statements).. you SHOULD be expecting some critisism...

    Quote Originally Posted by supercwn
    What do you think the force countering with? a basketball or a football?
    Well the statement certainly doesn't say .. But even assuming "counterforce" using shuttles in combination with the racket.. there are BIG details like strings, swing-speed, shuttle initial-speed etc affecting anything that could be called "counterforce".. And of course a relative improvement of 5% must be compared to something.. would it be 5% higher "counterforce" than a TSF-200, a Lepton F2, a NS9000 or what ?!?!

    Quote Originally Posted by supercwn
    the statement that I translated from kason web. soryy if it's not accurate. P.S I'm here to make some friends, no wars...
    So after all it was, a marketing rep.. sapitting that out (on their web).. Just as I guessed.. Why would you take any offense of me higligthing this in a post here??? (It's really the company and marketing rep writing the text I am critizising for "bad marketing", but you wrote it as it where your views and as a fact... without mentioning that it was a pure marketing sentence from their web...)

    /Twobeer

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    Twobeer,ok, maybe you will understand me later on.

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    not to spark a big argument, but I think Twobeer is merely asking some more info on the "5% less counterforce"
    summarising:
    -5% less than what? less than the yonex b1000? or another racket?
    -with 'counterforce' what do you exactly mean? counterforce can be 'vibration dampening' or 'repulsion'(we want more repulsion though!) or might even mean this racket makes your opponent smash softer ( )

    My guess this is just a slight error in translation/our interpretation...So please tell us all you know about this racket!

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