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    Question How Do We Measure The Level Of Play?

    Hi all,

    I've tried searching but not able to find threads as the topic. I just wish to know how do we actually measure or rate the level of play for normal badminton players (not on the professional or national circuit)? Or is there even anyway we are able to do that?
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    Let have some fun on this topic. There are 2 keys. 1st one is back hand. 2nd is people reaction. If your back hand return is weak, you are forever a beginner. If you can do back hand drop, you are at intermediate level. If you can do back hand clear from baseline to baseline clear, you are intermediate plus. If you can do back hand smack, you can beat 90% of the players. The fun part is people reacting to you on court. If everybody want to play with you, then you are the best in this particular club. If most players want to play with you, then you are at intermediate level. If only a few people want to play with you, then beginner is your label. If everybody leaves as soon as you step on court, you better bring your mother with you.

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    If everybody leaves as soon as you step on court, you need to buy some deodorant.

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    I rate players on:
    • how fast and agile they are; this includes footwork
    • how clean their shots are; meaning a clear should better fall damn near to the baseline or a dropshot should have the right speed and target point.

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    I think this is relative to other players in your club. You can be a beginner in one club and an intermediate in another. I always do an overhead on my backhand side, so I never really learn to hit a backhand. But I improve in other areas of my game, so other players want to play with me. I found what happens rather is that people who know one another well tend to stick with playing together because they are usually at similar levels.

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    It's difficult to quantify - and as rayvinly said it'll depend on the club. Where I play has a system with 5 grades, and the club pro/coaches use a set of criteria to determine who will fall into which grade.

    I think the key areas to look for are:
    • Consistency
    • Footwork
    • Positioning
    • Tactics/Controlling the game
    • Cleanliness of technique and shot quality


    With each area being improved upon equally as one advances. At higher levels things like deception, power and athleticism become more important.

    But more importantly, shoes and racquets - the more money spent on these, the better the player (obviously!)
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    We have to look the performance of the players is that good or bad.If they are playing nervousily then we have to know they are not playing properly or worse. From this type of feelings we can measure the Level mof play.

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    It highly depends on what you mean by "measuring."

    If you want to select a team for competition, and future potential, then there are tons of test indicators you can use to judge the quality of a player. How fast can you run the four corners, for example, or what is your heart rate after three minutes of stepping up a ladder, and many other things.

    Problem, of course, it takes a lot of effort to get these info, hence testing. A popular but scientifically completely invalid shortcut: smash speed, the faster, the better - simple, eh?

    If you want to judge a player's level of play by hindsight, say, watching him on video, or live on court, you already can draw distinctions just by stature and physical look.

    Lower legs and forearm muscles tell a lot. If you can see NO prominent muscles there, the player may not be too difficult. If you can see prominent muscles there, indeed, there are two types. Either, it is a body builder for sake of body building, then he may lack the training for speeding up his nerves and coordination - hence powerful but lazy and slow; or he truly is a quite threatening player of fast power-up ability. Tall players have a natural advantage, but they seldom jump and their jump abilites are quite weak. Skinny players are extremely enduring just by the nature of muscle-body relation.

    And then there are tacticals ... too many ways, don't a simple shortcut to it.

    Final point, Lee Chong Wei can do benchpressing with heavy weights similar to other players but 130 ranks below him! So, fitness is a must, but not a sufficient criteria, too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LIPlayer View Post
    Rating anyone's play is a matter of personal judgement usually done in comparision with some already ranked players. Rating is not a science but an art (Ranking may be science that usually based on tournament results). Rating may differ from person to person and may be totally wrong sometime. Many people have tendency to rank themself higher then they actually are. Many tournaments only have A and B levels. Trust me, if you are an "A" level player then you should already know by now. Nobody becomes A level player in vaccum.

    The way I look ranking is as follows:

    Pros: Full time Badminton player who plays international tournaments.

    A+: Player who qualifies to play IBF ranking tournament where some Top world ranking players are also playing.

    A : Player who qualifies to play nationally rank tournaments and have good chances to get to Quater Final or highers.

    A-:Who is good enough to play in nationally ranked tournaments and also good enough to get to second or third rounds but not good enough to get to QF.

    B : Players who plays nationally rank tournaments lose in their first round and then do good in consolation tournament.

    B- : Do bad in consolation but good enough to look good in playing badminton.

    C: Who can hold some rallies once in a while. May become partner to play doubles with B level. Participates local tournaments (non ranking) but don't get anywhere except having fun.

    D: Beginnners: Those who enjoy playing but needs to work on almost everything.

    I hope above helps.
    I get a "C" in Malaysia
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    I'm glad you saw fit to reply to a 4-year old thread just for that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ya4dang1 View Post
    I get a "C" in Malaysia
    I am worse, not even qualify because never join local tournaments. I am not even a "C" level in Indonesia.

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    I merged a couple of threads into this one

    Probably the best answer was this one from Mag.
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    Intermediate is when you learn the secret handshake.

    Advanced is when you stop worrying about questions like the one you asked.

    Anyhow, the reason for bringing up this thread was a recent experience. I get some people emailing me for games occasionally and they would give an answer of intermediate - advanced etc. Because court space is pretty tight in HK, it's better to have a more accurate idea.

    So, I would ask for information such as league experience and tournaments experience in the person's own country. It gives a better idea of the non-social level. And interestingly, the last couple of people have failed to reply.

    I got a bit embarrassed by one girl a number of years ago. She said she was advanced level. So, I thought that would fit into my group of competition experienced players. Thought it would be quite exciting to see a new player. Oh wow, was I embarrassed or was I embarrassed. Turns out she is willing to run around court but doesn't have an idea of footwork or proper techniques. All my group were asking me "I thought you said she was good....". All I could say was "That was what she told me.. "

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    The problem is: You can't define it in a way that is understood by everyone in the same way.
    Even if you prescribe very precisely, some beginners will say/think: "Yeah, I can play a clear to the baseline, I can play tight drops, my smash is lethal and my drive lightening fast."
    In reality they play only with other beginners/bad players and get this wrong impresiion by simply being the best of their rather bad group
    (in Germany there's a saying: " the one-eyed is the king in a group of blind people...")

    You can never define things properly, as level of play is always relative, there is no gold standard like in running or so...

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    I think that the levels of playing may be categorized into three levels, they are the entry level, intermediate level and the expert level. Here, each individual share their individual opinion about level of players. So, I am including my opinion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by |_Footwork_| View Post
    The problem is: You can't define it in a way that is understood by everyone in the same way.
    Even if you prescribe very precisely, some beginners will say/think: "Yeah, I can play a clear to the baseline, I can play tight drops, my smash is lethal and my drive lightening fast."
    In reality they play only with other beginners/bad players and get this wrong impresiion by simply being the best of their rather bad group
    (in Germany there's a saying: " the one-eyed is the king in a group of blind people...")

    You can never define things properly, as level of play is always relative, there is no gold standard like in running or so...
    Agree. Hence, I now ask for competition and league match experience to judge. It's a better discriminatory question to gauge people's standard without actually having seen them.

    I haven't met any German players yet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cheung View Post
    I merged a couple of threads into this one

    Probably the best answer was this one from Mag.



    Anyhow, the reason for bringing up this thread was a recent experience. I get some people emailing me for games occasionally and they would give an answer of intermediate - advanced etc. Because court space is pretty tight in HK, it's better to have a more accurate idea.

    So, I would ask for information such as league experience and tournaments experience in the person's own country. It gives a better idea of the non-social level. And interestingly, the last couple of people have failed to reply.

    I got a bit embarrassed by one girl a number of years ago. She said she was advanced level. So, I thought that would fit into my group of competition experienced players. Thought it would be quite exciting to see a new player. Oh wow, was I embarrassed or was I embarrassed. Turns out she is willing to run around court but doesn't have an idea of footwork or proper techniques. All my group were asking me "I thought you said she was good....". All I could say was "That was what she told me.. "
    Met a lady who said something similar. Turned out she meant advanced beginner, and in reality she wasn't even that :-S

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