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    "When I win the Olympic , I feel like , my career is complete"
    Refer on ' My Olympic-Taufik Hidayat '

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    i think taufik changed his mind

    you can still see him in tournament

    the love of badminton can not be given up that easily

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    I see that a certain someone claimed that he is happy with TH playing in every single SS tournament. However, this makes me wonder why he keeps bugging TH on small titles like this(or even bugging LCW for not winning a major)? So that guy is happy with him participating in tournaments, but he is critical on TH just because he didn't win a title despite being in the finals for a few times(well, if you are happy with something you certainly won't have complaints on it right?)? Weird isn't it? It is no wonder all this misunderstandings ensued and I have to admit that I find it hard to follow his logic. No offense, I apologize if I did.

    There are tons of professional players' thread out there, should we suggest to that particular individual to bug the other players(e.g. BCL, CJ, SK etc) for more titles and leave TH and LCW alone for now?

    Like I mentioned, we have accept who TH is and will keep cheering no matter he wins another SS, WC/OC or not. It is his play and skill that we enjoy watching.
    And talking about chance to win a title, is that even necessary? I can crank out a number like 20%, 50% and 90% but do those figures carry any significance in it(or does it reflect reality)? Like PBM said, if something were to happened, it will happen. Just like how the supposedly 100% man, the mighty LD, got beaten by some opponents he has not lost to for the past 3-4 years earlier this year.

    Fact is ,if TH is well prepared and on form, he can beat everyone in whichever tournament he participated. If not, other beats him, simple as that. Is that a need to warrant a discussion whether he will or he will not win a title before he retires?

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    Quote Originally Posted by huangkwokhau View Post
    Chris...what you argued about TH is just "RECYCLE" what you did in the past ( on TH)...
    The problem that I have is you are trying to corner TH..why he could not win any SS..etc? dont you think he did not want to win SS? if he could not win SS despite of few close ones..what you wanna do on TH? tell him to retire or not to play again??
    The whole arguement the way I looked it is you are trying to push TH to corner....like you cant win big titles....pls do not play anymore..

    At least TH is trying to popularize the badminton , fyi, compare to other players who has not done anything on badminton..plus he did win BIG titles before...if he could not win SS,,it is not the end of the world...no player is perfect to win everything even LD has not won everything either...

    Why dont you do same thing on Peter Gade? he did win SS but he has not won OG or WC?
    Quote Originally Posted by miksss View Post
    also did LCW ever won OG?AG?WC?
    if ever, ctjcad tell to me..
    - First off, let's make this clear and don't get too emotional okay? As mentioned, the current discussion is about TH's chances in winning another biggie, the AE, WC & OG (as brought up by that RSLvictorSOTX). The mention abt TH's lack of success in SS is just an added info...
    I've provided by basis for the argument that TH has very2 slim to none chance to get another one (reasons i already gave)..
    So, please don't bring up about the focus on TH winning a SS..it ain't abt that..
    - But since you guys bring up TH and his lack of success in SS, let me ask you guys a question: Do you guys think TH is still one of the top 4 MS players? still included in the 4 Heavenly MS Kings? If you guys believe so, don't you guys wonder why he can't win a SS, whilst the rest of the 3 other Heavenly MS Kings have already won?..even SDK, BP, Simon freakin'-Santoso have won it..
    - I might sound like i'm "cornering" TH. But if i'm a true TH fan, i probably would be quite embarrassed to not see him win a "small" SS tournament, yet (like i noticed being categorized)..If the SS is really a "small" tourney, then why can't Taufik win it?..
    - Again, no one, incl. me, is asking him to retire or not play anymore...Please don't put words in my mouth....Of course if he can't win the SS, it's not the end of the world; who says it is?..And I'm sure he wants to win a SS or another biggie. Heck, if he wants to win a SS or another biggie, i'm all for it! Go, prove that you want and can win it, TH!..
    - Please recall, the WC is once a yr (used to be once every 2 yrs). The AG & OG are once every 4 yrs. IMO, those are harder to win because the rarity of them happening. In comparison, the SS happens basically every month in a yr. and Taufik has more than 36x chances to win...
    - Lastly, this is all my opinion on his chances on winning another biggie. I've brought up my reasons on why i think his chances are very2 slim and none to win another biggie. I don't understand why are you guys so worked up by my own opinion & it's on a player, not even on any of you guys...

    *lcleing, you can write all the implicit stuff referring to me, i'm all fine and dandy and i won't lose sleep over it. You are indeed entitled to your own opinion..
    Last edited by ctjcad; 07-06-2010 at 04:34 AM.

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    i wonder why so many members respond to only one guy

    must be totally worked up..

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    Quote Originally Posted by RSLvictorSOTX View Post
    Personally, I don't see how TH's stature can be diminish because he did not have a boat -load of all of the (other) titles there is to acquire. He is great already the way he is, just like LCW is (I am personally a fan of TH and LD)! I don't see why it is audaciously impossible for TH to win another big title, so long as he participates, he'll have an even chance with everyone that's in competition; just like everyone else!

    Sign...I hope TH wins some more to prove the detractors otherwise.

    RvS
    Don't worry...Taufik's time will come. Keep believing . If not, he is already great the way he is just like what you said.
    Quote Originally Posted by ctjcad View Post
    -- Lastly, this is all my opinion on his chances on winning another biggie. I've brought up my reasons on why i think his chances are very2 slim and none to win another biggie. I don't understand why are you guys so worked up by my own opinion & it's on a player, not even on any of you guys...

    *lcleing, you can write all the implicit stuff referring to me, i'm all fine and dandy and i won't lose sleep over it. You are indeed entitled to your own opinion..
    New flash guys, if you responded and posted something here- it means you are getting worked up and losing sleep. I don't know what to say anymore.

    Wonder who in the world will lose sleep over a forum post? Maybe the guy with the most post count can answer me since he must be posting so much(or reading so much) in this forum that he lose his sleep.

    *wink*

    *ctjcad, you could also write implicitly and pretend that you are a TH's fans. But the way you put it doesn't sound convincing. However, like you said you are entitle to your own opinion and I am fine with it. Won't lose sleep over this, I promised.
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    Yawn....same old stuffs being rewritten times and again.

    Fact is: TH is an Olympic Gold Medallist, 2x Asian Games Winners and a World Champion.

    INA SS, Singapore SS, etc are just another name for what used to be the INA Open, Singapore Open, etc. And, Taufik had won those events before.

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    ..any more biggie for Taufik on the horizon??..chance for 3x (in a row) Asian Games winner to add to the collection??..never been done before you know..

    ..you forgot, 3x MS Badminton Asia Champions..
    Last edited by ctjcad; 07-06-2010 at 08:24 AM.

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    Chris,,,Yes,...TH is one of 4 Kings...because he does not win SS does not mean he is not...
    Let me ask you...doLCW and Gade deserve to be one of 4 kings..???
    Like Badmania said he had even won INA Open 6 times, Tokyo,etc...

    We will not get worked up but in the past...you have been criticizing TH and LCW till no end...no offence...I am not sure if you are one of TH's fan...
    Do you think Gade will win another big one or SS in future???
    Chris...trust me...even all players prefer to surrender their 20 SS for one Olympic..look at LD...after winning OG..he even does not care about the ranking or winning SS anymore...his journey is complete with Olympic Medal...

    So what id TH's chance is slim in winning SS...It is not you to decide whether TH is one of 4 kings or not...the public decide it..like it or not..He is still one of 4 kings and sponsors want him to play...
    As I said..if TH does not deserve to be one of Kings then Gade and LCW should not be there...TH's achievement is much greater than other 3..

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    Quote Originally Posted by ctjcad View Post
    ..any more biggie for Taufik on the horizon??..chance for 3x (in a row) Asian Games winner to add to the collection??..never been done before you know..

    ..you forgot, 3x MS Badminton Asia Champions..
    Another PEMUDA is born at last....

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    Everybody please calm down!..

    Whatever it is, Taufik is still one of the best ms player out there. So what if he doesn't win SS title or anything..

    He did won the OG and WC before.

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    Quote Originally Posted by george@chongwei View Post
    Everybody please calm down!..

    Whatever it is, Taufik is still one of the best ms player out there. So what if he doesn't win SS title or anything..

    He did won the OG and WC before.
    George's words make the most sense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by huangkwokhau View Post
    Chris,,,Yes,...TH is one of 4 Kings...because he does not win SS does not mean he is not...
    Let me ask you...doLCW and Gade deserve to be one of 4 kings..???
    Like Badmania said he had even won INA Open 6 times, Tokyo,etc...

    We will not get worked up but in the past...you have been criticizing TH and LCW till no end...no offence...I am not sure if you are one of TH's fan...
    Do you think Gade will win another big one or SS in future???
    Chris...trust me...even all players prefer to surrender their 20 SS for one Olympic..look at LD...after winning OG..he even does not care about the ranking or winning SS anymore...his journey is complete with Olympic Medal...

    So what id TH's chance is slim in winning SS...It is not you to decide whether TH is one of 4 kings or not...the public decide it..like it or not..He is still one of 4 kings and sponsors want him to play...
    As I said..if TH does not deserve to be one of Kings then Gade and LCW should not be there...TH's achievement is much greater than other 3..
    Dear Hau-ge,

    Yes, the LCW and Gade deserve to be in the 4 kings list, based on their achievements..
    In all honesty, i don't really care if he wins a SS or not. I hope he does but i could care less.
    What we're discussing is his chance to win another biggie; i don't know why this is not clear??..why keep bringing up the SS issue?..
    *For the SS issue, my point is, if TH is one of the Kings, why he hasn't won a SS title yet? A "small" title..Just imagine LCW, as one of the 4 kings, but he hasn't won a SS title yet; imagine the feeling of all the M'sian BCers...Or say LD, as one of the 4 kings, but hasn't won a SS title yet; imagine the feeling of all the Jia You fans...Same with Taufik..

    I understand if bringing up facts may sound like a criticism.

    Do i think Gade will win another biggie in the future? My feeling is also the same like Taufik (very2 slim to none, same reasons). SS, who really cares, as he has won a few already..

    Again, no one is discussing abt TH's chance in winning SS; please get that..We're (started w/RSLvictorSOTX) discussing abt TH's chance in getting another biggie (WC, OG and AE, which can be considered a SS). Not a SS title.
    Who says i'm the one deciding whether TH is one of the 4 kings or not??..please don't put words into my mouth..
    And who says TH does not deserve to be one of the kings??..

    Achievements?? No comments as we're not even discussing abt achievements..
    Quote Originally Posted by huangkwokhau View Post
    Another PEMUDA is born at last....
    ..or i could be re-born as your best buddy, another cooler..
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    Quote Originally Posted by ctjcad View Post
    Dear Hau-ge,

    Yes, the LCW and Gade deserve to be in the 4 kings list, based on their achievements..
    In all honesty, i don't really care if he wins a SS or not. I hope he does but i could care less.
    What we're discussing is his chance to win another biggie; i don't know why this is not clear??..why keep bringing up the SS issue?..
    *For the SS issue, my point is, if TH is one of the Kings, why he hasn't won a SS title yet? A "small" title..Just imagine LCW, as one of the 4 kings, but he hasn't won a SS title yet; imagine the feeling of all the M'sian BCers...Or say LD, as one of the 4 kings, but hasn't won a SS title yet; imagine the feeling of all the Jia You fans...Same with Taufik..

    I understand if bringing up facts may sound like a criticism.

    Do i think Gade will win another biggie in the future? My feeling is also the same like Taufik (very2 slim to none, same reasons). SS, who really cares, as he has won a few already..

    Again, no one is discussing abt TH's chance in winning SS; please get that..We're (started w/RSLvictorSOTX) discussing abt TH's chance in getting another biggie (WC, OG and AE, which can be considered a SS). Not a SS title.
    Who says i'm the one deciding whether TH is one of the 4 kings or not??..please don't put words into my mouth..
    And who says TH does not deserve to be one of the kings??..

    Achievements?? No comments as we're not even discussing abt achievements..

    ..or i could be re-born as your best buddy, another cooler..
    Chris..look at the way you wrote about TH...the way you question if TH is one of 4 kings or not..
    TH won BIG ones except AE...
    Whats your criteria that Gade and LCW deserve to be top 4 and TH does not?? they have no OG/WC ...right now he is not at his peak and he enjoys playing...so whats your problem????
    I am not the only one who thinks you are cornering TH....
    So the whole points is what do you want on TH???seriously...if he plays then you question if he can win BIG or SS...if we answer that he may not win BIG or SS then you said that he does not deserve to be 4 of Kings...Gade has not won anything lately either...
    I do not care you are reborn as Cooler or Pemuda here....
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    Quote Originally Posted by huangkwokhau View Post
    Chris..look at the way you wrote about TH...the way you question if TH is one of 4 kings or not..
    TH won BIG ones except AE...right now he is not at his peak and he enjoys playing...so whats your problem????
    I am not the only one who thinks you are cornering TH....
    So the whole points is what do you want on TH???seriously...if he plays then you question if he can win BIG or SS...if we answer that he may not win BIG or SS then you said that he does not deserve to be 4 of Kings...Gade has not won anything lately either...
    I do not care you are reborn as Cooler or Pemuda here....
    Dear Hau-ge,
    calm down!...calm down!..no one is attacking you!..
    so, you never wonder why between TH, Gade, LCW and LD, only Taufik never won a single SS title yet???..36+ plus chances??..not once a yr chance??..
    Where am i questioning if TH is 1 of 4 kings or not??..
    I have no problem w/Mr. Taufik.

    (Now, please take a deep breath & read this below as slow as you can so you won't get another misunderstanding):
    All i'm writing is I'm just putting my opinion that the chances of TH winning another biggie are very2 slim and none (the reasons, i gave already). That is to counter RSLvictorSOTX's opinion that he believes TH still can. I don't see what's wrong with both opinions. He puts his opinion forth and i put my opinion forth...And now i'm getting lambasted and shot all over the place because i think what i feel???..

    There is nothing i want on Taufik to prove. I could care less if he wins or not win a SS or another biggie.
    Of course if he keeps failing i would keep wondering whether he still can win another biggie.
    Again, who says TH does not deserve to be one of 4 kings if he doesn't win SS or another biggie??..
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    Chris...slim chance is not ZERO chance...
    if you participate in one tournament , you have a bigger chance that you are not entering the tournament..
    I think they way you wrote ( i am not only one) that it seems that you are attacking TH for no reason...
    Leave TH alone and let him play either he will win SS or biggie one as everybody knows that TH is not young..
    If you have a chance to meet TH..he will tell you why he keeps playing eventhough his other business is waaaaaaaaaay better..

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    Dear Hau-ge,
    Well, that is my opinion on Taufik's chances of winning another biggie. Realistically. I gave as sound reasonings as possible on why i think that way. If he would, i'll be glad if he proved me wrong.
    I wrote slim chance so that i won't upset his supporters (incl. you)..of course slim is not zero..

    Attacking TH for no reason??..nah, i was merely pointing out facts (in case there are those who are reading & don't know much abt his accomplishments)..

    I will try to ask him a few (interesting ) questions when he's here for the U.S. Open and share with you guys (maybe will show a video interview w/him)..

    And i'll pass him your warmest regards, too..
    Last edited by ctjcad; 07-06-2010 at 09:57 AM.

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